This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BA0B.DC276360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey George, Thanks for the profile. The run time here is shorter than what I am doing, which I expected. The scary part is comparing this to the Doria dive. Yes the Doria profile is longer but only by a little comparatively. It's just scary to think about! You know old (bad) habits die hard. I think I need to get in a little better shape before I start moving towards this type of a profile but you've said that before, good shape and no PFO. Thanks again for the profile! This thread is extremely interesting and surprisingly the "noise" level is pretty low compared to previous posts where it's hard to get the info out with the "usual suspects" mucking up the water and message! Art. -----Original Message----- From: George Irvine [mailto:girvine@be*.ne*] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 6:05 PM To: Paltz, Art; trey@ne*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: Standard Deco Dive OREGON MIX DIVE al-la George Art.first of all, there is no "comparison" of a 125 air dive to anything from a decompression standpoint since there is no deco that works for that. Forget "air tables" - they are nonsense, as are nitrox "air equivalent" tables. Drop those concepts from your mind. Secondly, use 30% helium or greater - the lower percentages don't do the job. Next, leave the oxygen out of the first dive and take it on the second. Both dives have the same deco times, only use the oxygen from 20 feet on the second dive . Use the ascent from depth and the final surfacing protocol already outlined before. from bottom to 70 - 3 minutes From 70 - switch and spend 3 minutes. 60 2 50 2 40 3 30 5 20 8 To surface - 3 more minutes If you want to add time, do it from 20 to the surface. -----Original Message----- From: Art.Paltz@R2*.CO* [mailto:Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:55 AM To: trey@ne*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: Standard Deco Dive George, My most common ocean dive is 125 ft for 45 minutes, 2 hour surface, then another 45 minutes bottom time. Previously I was using AIR for bottom gas and O2 for deco but this year I think I'm switching to a bottom mix of 21/25 (O2/He) then 50/50 and O2 for deco. According to my deco program the run times are basically the same so no extra time in the water. I'd be interested in your gas choice as well as your profile. Art. -----Original Message----- From: George Irvine [mailto:girvine@be*.ne*] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:53 AM To: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com Subject: Standard Deco Dive What is the most common dive you guys are doing that we can start with as an example? Give me the depth and time at the bottom. It is a lot easier to do the longer times due to the use of more gasses, but I am suspicious that nobody but us does that, and you would be an idiot to do it in the open ocean as opposed to a cave. I can then run it and also show what happens when it is longer or shorter. I personally think of dives as 100 ft, 150, 200, 250 or 300, and I use gas for 1,2 or 3. The deco gas choice is dependent on the bottom time. While the gases are standard, whether you use them all or not is operational and time dependent. Below 100 is a special case, and beyond 350 is a special case. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BA0B.DC276360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <meta name=3DProgId content=3DWord.Document> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <meta name=3DOriginator content=3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <link rel=3DFile-List href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01*.21*"> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind> <w:EnvelopeVis/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:swiss; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:16792199 0 0 0 65791 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle16 {mso-style-type:personal; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family:Arial; mso-hansi-font-family:Arial; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; color:navy;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family:Arial; mso-hansi-font-family:Arial; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; color:#993366;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US style=3D'tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle17><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: Arial'>Hey George,<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle17><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: Arial'><![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font>< /span></p>= <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle17><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: Arial'>Thanks for the profile.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> = </span>The run time here is shorter than what I am doing, which I expected.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The scary part is comparing = this to the Doria dive. Yes the Doria profile is longer but only by a little = comparatively.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It’s just scary to = think about!<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You know old (bad) habits die hard.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I think I need to = get in a little better shape before I start moving towards this type of a = profile but you’ve said that before, good shape and no = PFO.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle17><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: Arial'><![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font>< /span></p>= <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle17><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: Arial'>Thanks again for the profile! <span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This thread is extremely interesting and surprisingly = the “noise” level is pretty low compared to previous posts where it’s hard to = get the info out with the “usual suspects” mucking up the water and = message!<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle17><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: Arial'><br> Art.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle17><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: Arial'><![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font>< /span></p>= <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle17><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: Arial'><![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font>< /span></p>= <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> George Irvine [mailto:girvine@be*.ne*]<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, February = 17, 2002 6:05 PM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Paltz, Art; = trey@ne*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Standard = Deco Dive OREGON MIX DIVE al-la George</span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font>< /p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Art.first of = all, there is no "comparison" of a 125 air dive to anything from a = decompression standpoint since there is no deco that works for that. Forget "air tables" - they are nonsense, as are nitrox "air = equivalent" tables. Drop those concepts from your mind. Secondly, use 30% helium or greater = - the lower percentages don't do the job. Next, leave the oxygen out of the = first dive and take it on the second.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Both dives have = the same deco times, only use the oxygen from 20 feet on the second dive . = Use the ascent from depth and the final surfacing protocol already = outlined before.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>from bottom to = 70 - 3 minutes</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>From 70 - = switch and spend 3 minutes.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>60 &n= bsp; 2</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>50 &n= bsp; 2</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>40 &n= bsp; 3</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>30 &n= bsp; 5</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>20 &n= bsp; 8</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>To surface - 3 = more minutes</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If you want to = add time, do it from 20 to the surface.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></f= ont><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt; margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Art.Paltz@R2*.CO* [mailto:Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*]<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, February = 16, 2002 7:55 AM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> trey@ne*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Standard = Deco Dive</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span = class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>George,<o:p></o:p></span></font></span> </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span = class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span>& lt;/p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span = class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My most common ocean dive is 125 ft for 45 = minutes, 2 hour surface, then another 45 minutes bottom time.<span = style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Previously I was using AIR for bottom gas and O2 for = deco but this year I think I’m switching to a bottom mix of 21/25 = (O2/He) then 50/50 and O2 for deco.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> = </span>According to my deco program the run times are basically the same so no extra time in = the water.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span = class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span>& lt;/p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span = class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I’d be interested in your gas choice as = well as your profile.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span = class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span>& lt;/p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span = class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Art.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span>< ;/p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span = class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span>& lt;/p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span = class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span>& lt;/p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> George Irvine [mailto:girvine@be*.ne*]<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, February = 15, 2002 6:53 AM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> = Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Standard Deco = Dive</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What is the most common dive you guys are doing that we can start with as an = example? Give me the depth and time at the bottom. </span></font><font = color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It is a lot easier to do the longer times due to the use of more gasses, but I = am suspicious that nobody but us does that, and you would be an idiot to = do it in the open ocean as opposed to a cave.</span></font><font = color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I can then run it and also show what happens when it is longer or = shorter.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I personally think of dives as 100 ft, 150, 200, 250 or 300, and I use = gas for 1,2 or 3. The deco gas choice is dependent on the bottom time. While = the gases are standard, whether you use them all or not is operational and time dependent. Below 100 is a special case, and beyond 350 is a special = case.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f ont>= </p> </div> </body> </html> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BA0B.DC276360-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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