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Do waivers actually offer legal protection in the US? In the UK, signing a document saying you can't/won't sue offers no protection whatsoever to the people getting you to sign it. See Myth 1 at http://www.divernet.com/safety/court0700.htm Just curious.. Dominic >From: "John Mason Jr." <john.mason.jr@au*.co*> >Reply-To: "John Mason Jr." <john.mason.jr@au*.co*> >To: <vbtech@ci*.co*>, <FLTechDiver@mikey.net>, <EANX@ao*.co*> >CC: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Subject: Re: Diver Responsibility >Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:43:43 -0500 > >JT, >I agree Christopher Murley made the decision to dive signed the waivers and >went diving, all his choice. I agree that you should be prepared for dying. >You are also correct about families wanting to blame someone. Personally I >think you signed, your responsibility, end of story. But in this case it >seems that people had the attitude of he signed the waiver cash the check, >instead of you don't belong here waiver or not. This may be a little naive, >it is just my opinion. > >John >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> >To: <vbtech@ci*.co*>; <FLTechDiver@mikey.net>; ><vbtech@ci*.co*>; <EANX@ao*.co*> >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:59 PM >Subject: Re: Diver Responsibility > > > > John, have you ever seen a Doria wavier from the Seeker? The one I have > > states " I have been given the opportunity to review this document with > > both my family and legal counsel." that is initialed and notarized long > > before you ever get on the boat. > > > > We as humans will die as part of living, one must face the fact that he >or > > she will someday die. Nothing will change this, that is reality. That is > > why we make wills and prepare of families for this event. Those who do >not > > accept this fact will surely leave their family in debt and screwed. > > > > Often families want to blame someone else for this poor planning and to > > relieve the burden and guilt they feel for not being more involved in >the > > deceased persons life. Clearly, Lawyers have different reasons for > > pursuing these cases and justice has nothing to do with it. > > > > > > > > > > Mason Jr"." wrote: > > >Curt, > > >I agree that personal responsibility is the key. However in this case I > > >think some folks should have dissuaded this gentleman from doing this >kind > > >of diving instead of enabling it. It has a bit of moral/ethical >messiness > > >to accept money from someone who by all accounts should not be there >just > > >because he signed a waiver. > > > > > >John Mason > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: <EANX@ao*.co*> > > >To: <dell@di*.co*>; <trimix@ho*.co*>; ><aocfishman@ho*.co*>; > > ><FLTechDiver@mikey.net>; <vbtech@ci*.co*> > > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > >Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:14 PM > > >Subject: Diver Responsibility > > > > > > > > > > Again, another case of family members trying to make an excuse for a >love > > >one > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > If you sign a waiver saying you accepts the risk involved then it >should > > >be > > > > written in stone. All we need is one case being lost because of some > > >crafty > > > > (crooked) lawyer and all our diving could go to pot. > > > > > > > > Divers and their families need to start taking responsibility for >what > > >ever > > > > they get themselves involved with. If not, then maybe they should >stay > > >home > > > > in bed, but then again they might sue the mattress company for bed >sores. > > > > > > > > This includes all divers, no matter their physical fitness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curt Bowen > > > > > > > > Publisher Advanced Diver Magazine > > > > 941-751-2360 Office > > > > www.advanceddivermagazine.com > > > > AdvDvrMag@ao*.co* > > > > > > > > > > > > Mailing address > > > > Advanced Diver Magazine > > > > 3115 48th Ave. Dr. East > > > > Bradenton, FL 34203 USA > > > > > > > > > > > > Rule of Exploration > > > > "Publish or Perish" > > > > ============================================================ > > > > To contact the list administrator, email > > > > Mike Rodriguez at mikey@mi*.ne* > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a message to: > > > > listserv@mi*.ne* > > > > and in the *BODY* of the message type: > > > > unsubscribe FLTechDiver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ><< Send subscribe/unsubscribe/help requests to >VBTech-request@ci*.= > > >com >> > > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >the > > water" > > > > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > > > > > > > > << Send subscribe/unsubscribe/help requests to >VBTech-request@ci*.= > > com >> > > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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