Aloha George,

Again, George, you're making another fallacious argument: A hypocrite is 
someone who publicly announces their belief in and strict adherence to a 
philosophy or creed or principle and then proceeds to violate that 
adherence (or defends and excuses another believer's violation). In the 
biblical sense, this is known as sin and is that for which we seek 
forgiveness. As applied to DIR, for example, this could be solo diving. 
Does that clarify the point?

If you knew me, George, you'd know I don't write anything that I'm 
unwilling to say face-to-face: I too dislike behind-the-scenes 
maneuvering -- that's why I'm posting your reply and my response -- let's 
keep it all out in the open.

Perhaps I should remind you, at this point, that the original message I 
posted on Cavers; 1) was not directed at you, 2) did not mention you, and 
3) was simply an "Aloha, I'm new to the list". You chose to reply with 
personally derogatory comments -- even though you've never met me and 
there was no reason to make such comments. Thus, if you're looking for 
someone who "thrive[s] on bullshit like that...on the lists" where "it 
makes you a big hero", I suggest you look in the mirror.

As far as your well reasoned and balanced analysis of the instructional 
styles and deficiencies of the "idiots" -- I await it with baited breath.

Dave


>George then replied:

>You are a complete hypocrite. 9 for 11 now. You think I should "see a
>doctor", try telling me that to my face you asshole.You and your little
>buddies thrive on bullshit like that - behind my back or on the lists where
>you think it makes you a big hero.
>
>When I get the time, I will take those idiots apart carefully on cavers, and
>remind everyone that you are the cause.


>>Dave wrote [to the list]:

>>Aloha George,

>>I believe you're missing my point(s) which are (briefly): 1) I'm not the
>>most knowledgeable or experienced diver on the list; 2) I think GUE is a
>>very good agency and applaud it's high training standards, and; 3) I
>>don't hate you and am not your enemy.

[long analysis of George's previous message snipped]
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