Terry, I have been on here for years, and nobody has come up with anything
yet. I am still waiting for these people who are so sure I am wrong to give
me an example. None can do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: terry michael [mailto:OEA51@go*.co*]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:30 PM
To: George Irvine; Tim Lasby; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Re: Process


Trey, you always seem to play it real safe by always going with common sense
then call it DIR. That way you are never wrong. Funny how that works.

-----Original Message-----
From: "George Irvine"<girvine@be*.ne*>
To: "Tim Lasby"<tlasby@mi*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Date: Wed Jan 09 03:51:00 PST 2002
Subject: Re: Process

>Whenever you can get on here and show me where I am wrong and you guys have
>some better way, I will immediately adopt that. The problem is that you can
>not do that, and you are merely the 10,000th person who has made the
comment
>below and been hopelessly unable to make any sense of the alternatives.
>
>The fact is that cave diving outside of our rules and wreck diving the way
>you guys and the NE guys do it has a horrible track record. The fact that
>some people can live though repetitively doing stupid things is not a
>validation, otherwise Brett Gilliam would be the king, and Evil Kneival
>would be another guy to emulate.
>
>I have no respect for dumb fuckery. Sorry, but there is nothing you guys do
>that I can not do a hell of a lot better my way. Just an absolute fact, and
>it has nothing to do with any magic on my part, it only has to do with what
>obviously makes sense and what obviously works in all circumstances.
>
>If you want to argue cold water or ice diving and DIR, then talk to the
>Lundgrens and the other Scandinavians. Don't even bother with the wreck
>diving, I have done more of that than I ever will do cave dives, unless you
>want to entertain me with how the SWBS on the Seeker with Gentile and his
>air doubles and air pony strapped behind his back with a slobwinder diving
>solo is a good idea.
>
>Let me tell you one thing - put up or shut the fuck up. I am so sick of the
>kind of logic you display in this post. No facts, just your bullshit
>opinion. Prove me wrong , or try to anyway.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Lasby [mailto:tlasby@mi*.co*]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 3613 12:48 AM
>To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject: Process
>
>
>This message is for Trey.
>
>I realize the path you have taken to get where you are. The sport of diving
>has grown exponentially, in major part because of your contribution. GUE
and
>WKPP are leading the way in todays instruction. My question lies in
>this........
>
>Are you open to new techniques, gear, methods, etc. Not as a challenge to
>DIR, but keeping an open mind for improvement. A closed mind stands still.
I
>realize that at this point DIR, logically, is undeniably efficient. But to
>take, for instance, what NE wreck divers do,( and succeed )or what great
>lakes wreck divers do  ( myhe most awesome preserved wrecks in the world )u
>ridicule them. I admire your conviction, but I also admire these peoples
>adaptability. Ridicule me as you might for not having the longest cave
dive,
>but I don't desire to stifle creativity, and invention. It's what has
gotten
>us where we are now.
>
>By now most people who matter are aware of DIR. Many promote it, Some don't
>but dive it. Either way, IT'S A GREAT SYSTEM!!
>
>However, the NE wreckdivers have great techniques also..........the
>icedivers have great techniques also......Fact is,lot of ways!
>
>You defend posts with knowledge and experience, but I've never seen a hint
>of acknowlegment for anyone elses ideas. One person can't possibly know
>every thing there isto know about a subject.
>
>Go ahead and tear me a new one.........
>
>Maybe I even visited rec.scuba......OH that makes me an asshole..........
>
>Hope you haven't lost touch........
>
>BTW I'll be in Lake Superior down 310' on  a wreck torommow.... Diving with

>a buddy 100% DIR.
>
>Cheers!
>
>
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