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Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:44:51 +0100
From: mat.voss@t-*.de* (Matthias Voss)
Organization: Norvedische Botschaft, Magrathea, Friseurgasse 42
To: donburke56@ne*.ne*
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: neutral AL 80's
Don,
Q, In this situation, why do you need so much air in your wings at the
surface ? Just to have that extra cm above the waterline ?
My advice would be to try to balance the forward drop balancing , taking
a somewhat recline position, legs more to the front.
Matthias

Don Burke schrieb:
>  A portion of my diving is not technical by any stretch of the
> imagination and involves quite a bit of time bobbing on the surface waiting
> for something (another diver, a tool, a camera, whatever).  With the wing,
> there is a tendency to pitch forward.
> 
> My old jacket BC is much better on the surface, but I'd rather not deal with
> it underwater.  Besides, it is getting old and I'd rather not replace it
> when it dies.
> 
> I've been thinking of using one of those exercise weights on the tank, but
> would rather not introduce another entanglement point.
> 
> This is only a problem with a wetsuit.  With the drysuit I just poof up the
> suit, flatten the wing and maybe take a nap.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Don
> 
> >From: "George Irvine" <girvine@be*.ne*>
> >Reply-To: <trey@ne*.co*>
> >To: "Don Burke" <donburke56@ne*.ne*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >Subject: RE: neutral AL 80's
> >Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:25:37 -0500
> >
> >Don, we don't put weights on tanks, we wear weightbelts.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Don Burke [mailto:donburke56@ne*.ne*]
> >Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 9:03 AM
> >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Subject: Re: neutral AL 80's
> >
> >
> >Susan,
> >
> >I have a set of regular 80 doubles and a regular 80 I use for a stage.
> >
> >On the stage, the bouyancy is about perfect.  By the time I breathe it down
> >to the point where the tank is positive enough overcome the weight of the
> >regulator, the tank is pretty much empty anyway.  I think additional weight
> >would be a liability, but if for some reason I wanted it, strapping a
> >weight
> >on the tank would be my choice rather than a different tank.  Lead is a
> >more
> >efficient ballasting material than aluminum.
> >
> >I only use the double 80s with a wetsuit, so the weightbelt must have
> >enough
> >weight on it so that I can get back to the surface in the event of a
> >catastrophe like both first stages failing shut.  Since I'm weighted to
> >account for all of the fixed weights I carry, the belt must carry enough to
> >compensate for the variables, namely the gas in the tanks and wetsuit
> >compression.  Making the tanks more negative means less weight on the belt
> >and less wetsuit compression I can compensate for, so I can't safely go as
> >deep.  With the regular 80s, I can go deeper than my candyass is willing to
> >deal with the temperature anyway, so perhaps there could be some uses
> >there,
> >although there would be more weight on the boat, which with my knees and
> >back, is a showstopper.  If I wanted to take some weight off the belt (like
> >for a long, shallow dive), I'd just use a little v-weight with the regular
> >80s.
> >
> >The only use I would have for a neutral 80 would be as a single tank on
> >very
> >shallow dives or as a hang tank and I'd use steel for those applications
> >anyway.
> >
> >With the drysuit, I tried aluminum a couple of times.  Steel is all I use
> >anymore.
> >
> >Don
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <LouisianaLegal@ao*.co*>
> >To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >Sent: 03 January, 2002 16:51
> >Subject: neutral AL 80's
> >
> >
> > > Does anyone have any experiences or comments on the Luxfer "neutral" 80
> >cubic
> > > foot AL tanks?
> > >
> > > I was wondering if these would make good stage bottles and/or double
> >tank
> > > sets for the ocean. Does anyone know what the working pressure is on
> >these
> > > cylinders?
> > >
> > > Any information would be appreciated. Susan
> 
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