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I agree, Joe. I know a number of folks have died from heart attacks while diving. In some cases, it made no difference what gear configuration they were using, what agency's certification they held or who they were diving with, it was just their time. I don't see how following DIR rules can prevent a death from natural causes, shipwrecks collapsing, etc. Even if you have regular physicals and are in great shape, some things are just not detectable in advance. I respect all the work, thought and experience that has gone into creating the DIR configuration/philosophy/procedures. As a new-to-tech student, I'm learning about DIR and following it although I don't understand the reasoning for every little thing yet, but making blanket absolute statements like no one will ever die diving DIR just invite a response, and eventually defecation will occur. Just an outsider's view. Richard, the new guy -----Original Message----- From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@ho*.co*] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:12 PM To: 'Wendell Grogan'; 'Trey' Cc: 'Quest@Gu*. Com'; 'Techdiver' Subject: RE: DIR Fatalities > That's reasonable. > It gets back to the original question about if there were any > fatalities > involving people who were strictly following DIR rules. It > appears the > answer is "no". Wendell... by DIR definition; if you are following DIR rules you will not die. Which means; if you die diving, you weren't following DIR rules and also means No one will ever die following DIR rules. Would it be any different if every certification agency had a "rule" as follows: Rule Number 1: The most important (Insert your favorite certification agency here) rule is; Don't die while diving. Then... if a person dies, everyone in the agency can say; "this person wasn't following our rules". Whether anyone dies Diving DIR or any other program doesn't make one little difference because someone can always ALWAYS point to a reason a person died and say "See... this person wasn't following our rules because..." Can someone... ANYONE name a single SCUBA death (outside of equipment failure) in which the deceased WASN'T breaking at least one of his/her certification agency's rules? I doubt anyone can. Let me play your statement back to you with one small edit: It gets back to the original question about if there were any fatalities involving people who were strictly following PADI rules. It appears the answer is "no". Now... does this make PADI any better a certification agency? No. Just as the fact that no one has ever died diving DIR doesn't make it a better certification agency. People are not perfect therefore people WILL die when diving... regardless of whether or not they were following the "rules" DIR is better, not because George says it is, or because no one has died... it is better because it is virtually impossible to find a flaw in the logic used by DIR... and when there is a flaw; DIR changes to correct it. Now... how about everyone on the list go to their respective dive certification agencies and have them add my rule number 1. above. Then we can quit discussing whether or not anyone ever dies following the rules and concentrate on making diving safer for everyone. Kind Regards, Joe West -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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