Fair enough.

I will stop posting my position regarding the cause of Jonathan's death if
George
demonstrates a similar tact.

I will rely on the evidence provided by the investigation of the IUCRR
representative as
being the primary accurate evidence of the accident's cause.

The disclosure of the NEDU's gas analysis and the subsequent report will
hopefully put
all of the speculation to rest.

I make no asertion to any specific qualifications as an accident investigator.
I have
merely attempted to relay the facts that were passed to the family from the
Medical
Examiner and the NEDU.

Chuck

Jack Farmer wrote:

> Chuck Noe wrote:
>
> I've mostly been quiet on this due to trying to learn so far all I've learned
is YOU
> say 1 thing Trey say's another. Where are the FACTS ME findings etc. Till I
see those
> I'll take Trey's word over yours since HE has the records in diving and so
far all i
> know of you is what i've read in here and Rodales Scuba Diving mag. (Which in
my
> opinion is LESS than stellar).
>
> > If you don't wish to know and learn from the facts surrounding the death of
a
> > fellow cave diver, then stick your head in the sand and hit the "delete"
button.
>
> I'd agree with the below. WHERE are the FACTS? S we CAN learn from them.
>
> >
> >
> > The investigation of cave diving fatalities is one of the MOST IMPORTANT
functions
> > of our community and any efforts to subvert that process should be
strenuously
> > opposed.
> >
>
> On this I really have no opinion.
>
> >
> > Do you think I'm HAVING FUN here?!!
> >
>
> You are right I don't see ya post much. BUT what you have posted so far seems
more
> toward attacking Trey's creditability than otherwise. I DON'T see that as
positive.
>
> >
> > I don't go around posting the usual nonsense to these lists so please bear
with me
> > while I try to do something positive.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > justin turnbow wrote:
> >
> > > HEY CHUCK IF YOU HAVE SUCH A HARD-ON FOR GEORGE E-MAIL
> > > HIM IN PERSON AND QUITE WASTING SPACE ON THE TECHDIVER
> > > LIST SOME OF US GOT ON THIS LIST TO LEARN SOMETHING
> > > NOT TO SEE DID NOT DID TOO >
> > > P.S. FOR A PERSONAL COMMENT OF MY OWN GOL IS DEAD
> > > LEARN FROM HIS DEATH AND MOVE ON . IF YOU LIVE IN THE PAST
> > > THE FUTURE WILL PASS YOU BY .
> > > AND  GUYS LIKE GEORGE ARE LIVING IN THE NOW
> > > SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS AND PRAY HOPE THAT YOU LEARN TOO
> > > RELEASE YOUR HATE YOU HOLD INSIDE IT (HATE) IS A CANCER
> > > AND IT WILL EAT YOU UP INSIDE
> > > PEACE OUT AND MERRY CHRISTMAS
> > > JUSTIN TURNBOW
> > >
> > > George Irvine wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is complete bullshit.  The fact is that you, Chuck Noe, were
booted off
> > > > the WKPP by me because you are a complete and total stroke.
> > > >
> > > > It's well known in WKPP that anybody caught diving with you will be
booted
> > > > off the team.
> > > >
> > > > You are a complete liar.
> > > >
> > > > 1.)  We have the coroner's report.
> > > > 2.)  I am the guy who schedules divers and I DID NOT have Gol scheduled
for
> > > > any dives in the approaching dive weekend.  If Gol was planning on
attending
> > > > one of our events, he would not have been in the water.
> > > > 3.)  Gol was told by his doctor not to dive following the last round of
> > > > seizures.
> > > > 4.)  The bottle had a label on it marked 500psi He, not 100% Helium
> > > > 5.)  The bottle had no gas in it at all after the dive
> > > > 6.)  Even an idiot like you knows that if you were breathing pure
helium,
> > > > you'd never be able to breathe a full 500 psi in shallow water before
you
> > > > went out.
> > > > 7.)  Furthermore, if he had been diving with WKPP divers, under WKPP
rules,
> > > > none of these uncertainties would be possible anyway and his buddy
would not
> > > > have let him dive in the first place.
> > > > 8.)  He told the guy he was diving with that he was "feeling better" and
> > > > wanted to try diving.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck, do you know how I maintain the safety record of the WKPP?  By
keeping
> > > > people like you away from it.
> > > >
> > > > You're just like every other lying stroke out there - you take hearsay,
> > > > bullshit, half-truths and incomplete information and then try to assign
some
> > > > value to it.  And Chuck, it wasn't just me who kicked you off the team,
it
> > > > was the whole team.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Chuck Noe [mailto:chucknoe@ca*.co*]
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 3502 12:43 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: DIR Fatalities
> > > >
> > > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > >
> > > > Okay George; I've about had it with your fucking lies.
> > > >
> > > > For the record Jonathan Gol did not die of any
> > > >
> > > > "massive brain hemmorage" or any other medical
> > > >
> > > > condition.
> > > >
> > > > Your assertion that Jonathan was "on leave" from
> > > >
> > > > diving with the team is also crap. I have first-hand
> > > >
> > > > knowledge that he was asked to and was planning on
> > > >
> > > > participating in your approaching dive weekend.
> > > >
> > > > Also his best friend and personal physician told
> > > >
> > > > me in person that Jonathan had been "released" to
> > > >
> > > > resume diving by the specialists who had treated
> > > >
> > > > him earlier in the summer for his ailments.
> > > >
> > > > All that crap you posted on Quest was a bunch of
> > > >
> > > > lies designed to protect you and your project
> > > >
> > > > from criticism.
> > > >
> > > > Everybody in the know realizes that Jonathan's death
> > > >
> > > > was brought on from breathing 100% HELIUM while at
> > > >
> > > > his deco stop and we are just awaiting the final
> > > >
> > > > test results from the NEDU before discussing this
> > > >
> > > > publicly.
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan was a dear friend of mine who made the terrible
> > > >
> > > > mistake of temporarily transferring helium into an
> > > >
> > > > aluminum 40. He went so far as to marking the bottle
> > > >
> > > > "100% HE / 500 psi" with duct tape. But he ignored
> > > >
> > > > the markings while on this fatal dive. These are all
> > > >
> > > > facts which can be confirmed by the Jackson County
> > > >
> > > > Sheriff's Department.
> > > >
> > > > What is even sadder is that YOU feel compelled to lie
> > > >
> > > > about all of this in order to protect your "perfect safety
> > > >
> > > > record" which we ALL know is a joke. I can admire your
> > > >
> > > > team accomplishments and the strides that have been made,
> > > >
> > > > but to say that there haven't been bumps along the way
> > > >
> > > > is senseless.
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan was a fine human being and a skilled and
> > > >
> > > > accomplished diver. Why can you not admit that he made
> > > >
> > > > a mistake and let us all learn from that?
> > > >
> > > > Chuck Noe
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