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this dog won't hunt any more, and it's getting me out of the holiday spirit ....lets get back to diving -----Original Message----- From: Trey [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 4:11 PM To: Rick Aurich; Quest List Cc: Houston Cave Divers; Techdiver@Aquanaut. Com Subject: RE: DIR Fatalities Rick, this is all about your and Chuck's petty resentments. Your buddy Chuck calls me every name in the book and then says that is what I am doing to him. I have not even mentioned anything I could mention about this guy. The operative "name" for him is "stroke" and that relates to his whole attitude and style, not to mention the list of reasons he got axed from our organization. I don't need to discuss him, I fixed that problem with action a long time ago. The bottom line is that you and your gang out in Texas, like so many others in this sport who do nothing but yap, are in this game because you feel like diving is somehow going to make you tough guys , let you prove something, and make you big deals. As one of the Swedish Brothers pointed out, you have nothing that anyone wants. Now, let's go over this again since you still want to make it an issue with me. I never said I had the coroners report, I said that the issues were told to me by somebody who has that access. I did not know about the 100% helium tape , but I did know that there was a 500 psi and he on a piece of tape and a date on the bottle. You guys told me about the 100% and that the bottle was not marked at all otherwise. In fact, you said it was not marked but that it was an "oxygen" bottle. How is a bottle and oxygen bottle if it is not marked? I was told by somebody who was in touch with the Sheriff that the bottle was dead empty. Chuck now says it had gas in it and was analyzed by EDU or somebody, but even that analysis number is nothing that would kill anyone. In fact, that is the mix JJ uses from 70 feet. There is no way all the gas will come out of a bottle under water by freeflowing. With a high intermediate pressure and a G250 tuned on the edge, like my oxygen regs ( I use long hoses on my oxygen bottles, so that is what I call my oxygen regs and why I have them set that way), the reg will stop freeflowing even if held with the mouthpiece facing the surface or moving it back and forth at about 100 psi. Then the only way to get the gas out is to purge it, or take the reg off and open the valve. That was not the case here. On the surface, the reg will not freeflow past about 250 psi. I just fail to believe that Gol took a bottle with all helium and breathed it. I think he never finished marking it and or wrote he when he was thinking o2. I do not think he killed himself intentionally, or he would not have taken a nice guy like Dave with him. I was told that Dave looked over at Jonathan and he had a mask full of blood and the reg was out of his mouth. That sounds like a convulsion to me. I know for a fact that Jonathan had been sick with the encephalitis twice this year, and the most recent case had him hospitalized for a week with brain swelling and seizures. He was being treated for those things. I know he told Dave he was "feeling better" and wanted to try diving, and I know he was told not to dive, but that is obvious that you do not dive with this kind of illness. I am not even remotely interested in what some sheriff thinks about diving accidents. Usually, that sheriff calls me when he has a problem , like when somebody was blaming his EMT's for one guy's death at Jackson. He told me what happened, and I told him why it was not the EMT's fault. Anyway, you and little Chuckie can yap at me all you want. As Lundgren said, you are making asses of yourselves while trying to discredit me, and all you really are doing is proving that my hard line on DIR is justifiable, and that keeping people like you two away from me is so critical. All strokes think I am an asshole. They all hate me. That tells me how right I am. Anyone who figures it out realizes why I do what I do. I am not running the WKPP to make friends. I am not going to duck any issue of an accident. I will always use an accident to show how DIR was violated. This is no exception. I will keep pointing it out every time. Your resentments come out in everything you say, like the comment about me not being able to control the Houston Cavers list ( that is about like the Ft Lauderdale snow skiing club in my book - you guys are so out of it it is incredible). The real story is that with me not on a list, you guys can practice and preach star wars bar scenes all you want, lie about dives without me laughing at you big timers, and you can pretend you know something. And, every time I do try to contribute to one of those kinder gentler lists, I get attacked by the strokes, like you two , because you get a hero's welcome by the other strokes. You are not getting that here, and you will not get it on techdiver. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Aurich [mailto:raurich@ca*.co*] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 12:11 PM To: Quest List Cc: Houston Cave Divers Subject: Re: DIR Fatalities You know George, It absolutely amazes me how you have consistently complained in the past whenever someone dies in a diving accident that those who know the truth, try to cover it up and don't present the complete true facts. Yet here, with Jonathan, it's you who are complaining and whining when someone does present the true facts. You are the only one who is out there whining that everybody is trying to make it about you. It has nothing to do with you. And why in the world does it bother you so much that this information is copied to the Houston list? Is it because you have no control over what goes on there? Or is it because the truth is out there and you can't do anything about it? Rick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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