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To All, I have stated the facts. That was my only objective. This is not about George Irvine. This is not about the WKPP. This is not about DIR principles; I believe in DIR. Jonathan Gol died doing what he loved as a result of a tragic mistake. He breathed off an improperly marked bottle which contained 100% helium. His death was the result of complacency, even though he strived for safety. That is the message. Some of you will believe me, some of you will not. That is your decision. Hopefully the NEDU will make the gas analysis of Jonathan's deco bottle public soon and any doubt will be erased. Those who were close to Jonathan already know the results. Chuck Trey wrote: > Chuck, let me preface this by saying that you are a typical chip on the > shoulder, trying to prove something, alligator mouthed little TDI instructor > who resents me and has been booted out of the WKPP for you incompetence, > being a total stroke , and for being an ass in every situation in which you > were placed. You embarrassed the people who gave you a shot. > > You continue to try to embarrass them and to discredit them and now you are > trying to make Gol look like more of an idiot that he probably was. Either > that , or you are trying to tell me that Gol committed suicide by filling a > small , unmarked bottle with helium and breathing it after doing a short > dive. Why would the guy bring friends along to kill himself? > > The fact is that Gol was just a sloppy, disorganized, last minute operator > whom I had to repeatedly correct on many subjects. I finally had enough and > was no longer using him for gas diving . In fact there are several others > who are in that same boat now - must be the "think for themselves" people > you mentioned. Neither you nor any of your resentful little buddies can come > up with any logical reason why what I practice and require can be done in > any better way - just try it. Your first argument with me was about deep air > and how you can "handle" it. The fact is you could not handle anything, and > your thinking on that subject is merely a reflection of your whole persona > and performance. > > Gol had a form of encephalitis that is usually only found with HIV or AIDS > patients and he had it so bad that his brain swelled and he had to be > hospitalized for a week with seizures. He was still being treated for all of > this, and was in no condition to dive. I was not planning on using him even > if he had been "cured". I can smell a problem a mile away and so far my > instincts have saved me from losing my permits. I would rather have little > strokes like you hating me than not be able to dive my caves. > > In addition, Gol made it worse by diving outside of the WKPP ( something we > strongly discourage - those doing it do not get scheduled by me nor do I > give them access to the other sites), by diving with a non-WKPP diver ( not > that the guy could have saved him, but that a WKPP diver would not have let > the dive happen), and by diving an improperly marked bottle ( which would > never be allowed in the WKPP or by a WKPP diver). Is that what you mean by > free thinking, little chuckie? > > The fact is Gol is not my problem. The fact is that those who recommended > him and covered for him might as well quit now, as they are erased from my > book. The fact is that anyone else who is caught doing things other than DIR > as prescribed by me outside of the WKPP will not dive in the WKPP. Anyone > caught diving with strokes, like you , will not dive in the WKPP. That is > the unanimous thinking of the people who run WKPP, just as their unanimous > thinking was to get rid of you . > > The other fact here, and the point that Dr Black brought up, is that this > death is not a "DIR" or WKPP situation. It is a violation of all the rules > of DIR and the WKPP. It would not have happened or happened that way on my > watch, and now I have tightened the screening so much that the only guys who > will dive are going to be my pros and the guys who have what it takes to be > pros that we have identified. We have rearranged the roster and we did so a > week before Gol killed himself. > > Where I strongly agree with Dr Black and others who hate DIR and the WKPP is > confirmed by your comment about "free thinkers" : i.e. that being or > pretending to be DIR obviously does not preclude somebody from being a total > stroke or from doing stupid things, and being in the WKPP does not mean one > has any qualifications or ability what so ever, and many of my "team" prove > that , like Gol did, on a regular basis. Where I empathize with Dr Black > strongly is in the fact that 99% of the "DIR" divers out there and about 50% > of the WKPP have no clue what DIR is or what they are talking about, are not > living up to the standards of DIR in any way, and are in the "can't walk and > chew gum" category. These "free thinkers" as you call them, chuckie, are the > morons who pervert DIR and come across as idiots. These people make no sense > to a guy like Dr Black or anyone else for that matter, and it is no wonder > that Black thinks we are full of shit. Taken as a group, we are. > > However, if I personally showed Black the real DIR, he would be 100% in > agreement. That goes for anyone who can think clearly. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Noe [mailto:chucknoe@ca*.co*] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 7:42 PM > To: George Irvine > Cc: Techdiver; Houston Cave Divers > Subject: Re: DIR Fatalities > > George Irvine wrote: > > > This is complete bullshit. > > It certainly is. > > > The fact is that you, Chuck Noe, were booted off > > the WKPP by me because you are a complete and total stroke. > > ...and the fact that I stood up and identified you as "the Emperor Who Wore > No > Clothes" two years ago. Don't you think I would have kept my mouth shut if I > had > ambitions of diving in the WKPP? > > > It's well known in WKPP that anybody caught diving with you will be booted > > off the team. > > So what? > > > You are a complete liar. > > You just dig yourself a deeper hole calling ME a liar when everybody knows > you > are so full of shit. > > > 1.) We have the coroner's report. > > The FAMILY has the medical information. YOU do not! The ME report > specifically > rules out any major brain hemorrhage. > > > 2.) I am the guy who schedules divers and I DID NOT have Gol scheduled > for > > any dives in the approaching dive weekend. > > Then you should have mentioned that to Casey. > > > If Gol was planning on attending one of our events, he would not have > been in > > the water. > > Jonathan's mentor (and your training director) Scott Landon told the family > before the funeral that "Jonathan was not restricted from diving with the > team > and that they didn't even know that he had been ill". > > > 3.) Gol was told by his doctor not to dive following the last round of > > seizures. > > Jonathan's best friend, Dr. Harry Sokolow, told me, Landon, and the family > that > Jonathan had been cleared to dive following his earlier illness. > > > 4.) The bottle had a label on it marked 500psi He, not 100% Helium > > Wrong. There are pictures of this label George. And the equipment was > inspected > by my dive buddy as well as your medical director. Check with the Jackson > County > Sheriff's Department if you like; they all know the truth. > > > 5.) The bottle had no gas in it at all after the dive > > That is true. The remaining pressure in the bottle escaped during his > recovery. > But the ambient pressure remained and has been analyzed by the Navy. It had > a > high percentage of helium in the residual gas, even though the valve was > loose > in the bottle. > > > 6.) Even an idiot like you knows that if you were breathing pure helium, > > you'd never be able to breathe a full 500 psi in shallow water before you > > went out. > > True again. But nobody said he consumed the entire 500 psi. It was lost > during > his recovery. Several people witnessed this. > > > 7.) Furthermore, if he had been diving with WKPP divers, under WKPP > rules, > > none of these uncertainties would be possible anyway and his buddy would > not > > have let him dive in the first place. > > I cannot speculate on what would have happened had he been diving with a > team > member as a buddy. Every person did everything they could to save Jonathan's > life. There were other team members on-site though. > > > 8.) He told the guy he was diving with that he was "feeling better" and > > wanted to try diving. > > I'm not sure Jonathan was in any physical condition to attempt a big dive > but he > was slowly progressing back into the swing of things. He had completed > shallow > dives the weekend before and was moving up to deeper (albeit easy) dives at > JB. > His plan was to dive Wakulla two weeks after that if everything went well. > Jonathan had been very sick earlier in the Spring but had been out of the > hospital for several weeks and was indeed feeling better. Still I'm not sure > that he was ready to do any big dives but his medical condition is not what > killed him. > > > Chuck, do you know how I maintain the safety record of the WKPP? By > keeping > > people like you away from it. > > You never saw me breathing the long hose in my van at the parking lot at > Wakulla. You can't say that about several others though. > > > You're just like every other lying stroke out there - you take hearsay, > > bullshit, half-truths and incomplete information and then try to assign > some > > value to it. > > Jonathan's friends and family don't give a damn about your ego. You have no > accurate information. You only have a desire to protect your own ass. What I > don't understand is "why you feel so threatened". Jonathan made a mistake > and he > paid for it with his life. This could happen to any member of your team. > Your > unwillingness to admit that your team members are human does them a huge > disservice. Luckily most of them are extremely intelligent and competent > individuals who think for themselves in spite of your rantings. > > > And Chuck, it wasn't just me who kicked you off the team, it > > was the whole team. > > That's pitiful. Why don't you just let all this pass? I don't even expect a > retraction or apology from you. > > Chuck > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chuck Noe [mailto:chucknoe@ca*.co*] > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 3502 12:43 AM > > Subject: Re: DIR Fatalities > > > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > > > Okay George; I've about had it with your fucking lies. > > > > For the record Jonathan Gol did not die of any > > > > "massive brain hemmorage" or any other medical > > > > condition. > > > > Your assertion that Jonathan was "on leave" from > > > > diving with the team is also crap. I have first-hand > > > > knowledge that he was asked to and was planning on > > > > participating in your approaching dive weekend. > > > > Also his best friend and personal physician told > > > > me in person that Jonathan had been "released" to > > > > resume diving by the specialists who had treated > > > > him earlier in the summer for his ailments. > > > > All that crap you posted on Quest was a bunch of > > > > lies designed to protect you and your project > > > > from criticism. > > > > Everybody in the know realizes that Jonathan's death > > > > was brought on from breathing 100% HELIUM while at > > > > his deco stop and we are just awaiting the final > > > > test results from the NEDU before discussing this > > > > publicly. > > > > Jonathan was a dear friend of mine who made the terrible > > > > mistake of temporarily transferring helium into an > > > > aluminum 40. He went so far as to marking the bottle > > > > "100% HE / 500 psi" with duct tape. But he ignored > > > > the markings while on this fatal dive. These are all > > > > facts which can be confirmed by the Jackson County > > > > Sheriff's Department. > > > > What is even sadder is that YOU feel compelled to lie > > > > about all of this in order to protect your "perfect safety > > > > record" which we ALL know is a joke. I can admire your > > > > team accomplishments and the strides that have been made, > > > > but to say that there haven't been bumps along the way > > > > is senseless. > > > > Jonathan was a fine human being and a skilled and > > > > accomplished diver. Why can you not admit that he made > > > > a mistake and let us all learn from that? > > > > Chuck Noe > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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