George Irvine wrote:

> This is complete bullshit.

It certainly is.

> The fact is that you, Chuck Noe, were booted off
> the WKPP by me because you are a complete and total stroke.

....and the fact that I stood up and identified you as "the Emperor Who Wore No
Clothes" two years ago. Don't you think I would have kept my mouth shut if I had
ambitions of diving in the WKPP?

> It's well known in WKPP that anybody caught diving with you will be booted
> off the team.

So what?

> You are a complete liar.

You just dig yourself a deeper hole calling ME a liar when everybody knows you
are so full of shit.

> 1.)  We have the coroner's report.

The FAMILY has the medical information. YOU do not! The ME report specifically
rules out any major brain hemorrhage.

> 2.)  I am the guy who schedules divers and I DID NOT have Gol scheduled for
> any dives in the approaching dive weekend.

Then you should have mentioned that to Casey.

>  If Gol was planning on attending one of our events, he would not have been in
> the water.

Jonathan's mentor (and your training director) Scott Landon told the family
before the funeral that "Jonathan was not restricted from diving with the team
and that they didn't even know that he had been ill".

> 3.)  Gol was told by his doctor not to dive following the last round of
> seizures.

Jonathan's best friend, Dr. Harry Sokolow, told me, Landon, and the family that
Jonathan had been cleared to dive following his earlier illness.

> 4.)  The bottle had a label on it marked 500psi He, not 100% Helium

Wrong. There are pictures of this label George. And the equipment was inspected
by my dive buddy as well as your medical director. Check with the Jackson County
Sheriff's Department if you like; they all know the truth.

> 5.)  The bottle had no gas in it at all after the dive

That is true. The remaining pressure in the bottle escaped during his recovery.
But the ambient pressure remained and has been analyzed by the Navy. It had a
high percentage of helium in the residual gas, even though the valve was loose
in the bottle.

> 6.)  Even an idiot like you knows that if you were breathing pure helium,
> you'd never be able to breathe a full 500 psi in shallow water before you
> went out.

True again. But nobody said he consumed the entire 500 psi. It was lost during
his recovery. Several people witnessed this.

> 7.)  Furthermore, if he had been diving with WKPP divers, under WKPP rules,
> none of these uncertainties would be possible anyway and his buddy would not
> have let him dive in the first place.

I cannot speculate on what would have happened had he been diving with a team
member as a buddy. Every person did everything they could to save Jonathan's
life. There were other team members on-site though.

> 8.)  He told the guy he was diving with that he was "feeling better" and
> wanted to try diving.

I'm not sure Jonathan was in any physical condition to attempt a big dive but he
was slowly progressing back into the swing of things. He had completed shallow
dives the weekend before and was moving up to deeper (albeit easy) dives at JB.
His plan was to dive Wakulla two weeks after that if everything went well.
Jonathan had been very sick earlier in the Spring but had been out of the
hospital for several weeks and was indeed feeling better. Still I'm not sure
that he was ready to do any big dives but his medical condition is not what
killed him.

> Chuck, do you know how I maintain the safety record of the WKPP?  By keeping
> people like you away from it.

You never saw me breathing the long hose in my van at the parking lot at
Wakulla. You can't say that about several others though.

> You're just like every other lying stroke out there - you take hearsay,
> bullshit, half-truths and incomplete information and then try to assign some
> value to it.

Jonathan's friends and family don't give a damn about your ego. You have no
accurate information. You only have a desire to protect your own ass. What I
don't understand is "why you feel so threatened". Jonathan made a mistake and he
paid for it with his life. This could happen to any member of your team. Your
unwillingness to admit that your team members are human does them a huge
disservice. Luckily most of them are extremely intelligent and competent
individuals who think for themselves in spite of your rantings.

>  And Chuck, it wasn't just me who kicked you off the team, it
> was the whole team.

That's pitiful. Why don't you just let all this pass? I don't even expect a
retraction or apology from you.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Noe [mailto:chucknoe@ca*.co*]
> Sent: Friday, December 12, 3502 12:43 AM
> Subject: Re: DIR Fatalities
>
> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>
> Okay George; I've about had it with your fucking lies.
>
> For the record Jonathan Gol did not die of any
>
> "massive brain hemmorage" or any other medical
>
> condition.
>
> Your assertion that Jonathan was "on leave" from
>
> diving with the team is also crap. I have first-hand
>
> knowledge that he was asked to and was planning on
>
> participating in your approaching dive weekend.
>
> Also his best friend and personal physician told
>
> me in person that Jonathan had been "released" to
>
> resume diving by the specialists who had treated
>
> him earlier in the summer for his ailments.
>
> All that crap you posted on Quest was a bunch of
>
> lies designed to protect you and your project
>
> from criticism.
>
> Everybody in the know realizes that Jonathan's death
>
> was brought on from breathing 100% HELIUM while at
>
> his deco stop and we are just awaiting the final
>
> test results from the NEDU before discussing this
>
> publicly.
>
> Jonathan was a dear friend of mine who made the terrible
>
> mistake of temporarily transferring helium into an
>
> aluminum 40. He went so far as to marking the bottle
>
> "100% HE / 500 psi" with duct tape. But he ignored
>
> the markings while on this fatal dive. These are all
>
> facts which can be confirmed by the Jackson County
>
> Sheriff's Department.
>
> What is even sadder is that YOU feel compelled to lie
>
> about all of this in order to protect your "perfect safety
>
> record" which we ALL know is a joke. I can admire your
>
> team accomplishments and the strides that have been made,
>
> but to say that there haven't been bumps along the way
>
> is senseless.
>
> Jonathan was a fine human being and a skilled and
>
> accomplished diver. Why can you not admit that he made
>
> a mistake and let us all learn from that?
>
> Chuck Noe
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