I have no idea, Landon said it happened to him. Changing regs underwater has
nothing to do with me using Apeks regs. I never breathe a reg without
purging it before it goes in my mouth to remove any debris and any water.

I really do not know where you guys get this silliness.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Dibbs [mailto:James.Dibbs@op*.co*.au*]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:05 PM
To: 'Paul Braunbehrens'; Trey; terry michael; Lee Bell;
techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: Re: Scout bulbs


Why is it a problem blowing water through a diaphragm first stage?

Does a piston first stage not have this problem?

I thought one of the reasons for using Apex (other than the front cap
removal without tools) was that you could change the first stage to a
different tank underwater.

James Dibbs
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*]
Sent: Monday, 29 October 2001 14:34
To: Trey; terry michael; Lee Bell; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: Re: Scout bulbs


The problem is finding a good replacement for the mk20 G250 combo.
Since you don't want a diaphragm reg on a stage, in case you have to
swap regs and flood the first, what can you do?  I love my Apeks for
backgas, and being able to get the service kits is great.  I don't
even dare open up the mk20, I have no parts, you need special tools,
blah blah blah.  Anyway, Trey, if you know something else that works
well, let us know.

Cheers.


Trey wrote:
~
>Terry, I don't know about the 380, never had one, but I do know that the MK
>20 has a ridiculous shim system for adjustment. If you do not take the
shims
>out, the pressure is way too high, and even after you do, you can not get
it
>down to 120 on most of them. Even when you do get the pressure down to an
>acceptable level it does not last long, and begins to come back up again.
>Some of our guys have tried altering the spring by compressing it for a
long
>time in a vise (futile bullshit), but most of our guys did the right thing
-
>Ebay, under the PT Barnum Theory.
>
>I still have some , but i use them as safety bottle regs since they do last
>being left in water,I can operate the valve when, not if they fail,  and
the
>only way a G 250 will work twice in a row is if it is not allowed to dry
>out. An expensive mistake, even at the price of 125 charged to me by Scuba
>Pro for each set. I still got fucked if you add in the repair bills.
>
>Any new purchases by me are Apeks or Oceanic ( they have a some reliable
>stuff that has lasted me with no problems). I have no repair parts for
>either Apeks or Oceanic, and have never needed any. For Scuba Pro I have a
>huge bag of parts given to me by the Navy when they threw in the towel on
>this crap. I have had to use most of them and spent some 600 bucks last
year
>alone getting these things fixed.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: terry michael [mailto:OEA51@go*.co*]
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 10:12 AM
>To: Lee Bell; Trey; techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject: Re: Re: Scout bulbs
>
>
>>stainless plate and 18 lb lift wing, breath the long hose on a Scuba Pro
>>Mk-20/G250 with a R380 on a necklace.
>
>R380? Isn't that great little performer a stroke reg? It's a dead give away
>in my opinion, R380 = STROKER. How many spacers you got in the Mk20's
>anyway? ..he he he ;-)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Lee Bell"<leebell@ix*.ne*.co*>
>To: "Trey"<trey@ne*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Date: Wed Oct 24 06:31:54 PDT 2001
>Subject: Re: Scout bulbs
>
>>Trey wrote:
>>
>>>  "heat from shorted batteries" ?
>>
>>Yep.  Heat from shorted batteries.  It's a pretty routine event.  Salt
>water
>>shorts the battery and, presto, it heats up.  It's a pretty well known
>>problem.  I'm surprised you didn't know about it.
>>
>>>  Hello, Mom? Lee, have you ever actually been diving, and do you have
any
>>>  experience with anything other than getting on dive lists and saying
>>stupid ,
>>>  misinformed, ridiculous things and then trying to pretend you know what
>>you are
>>>  talking about?
>>
>>Hello, Trey?  Did you forget that some of us dive in salt water?
>>
>>You seem to have a short memory or, perhaps, don't bother to read what
>>others have to say, so I'll repeat it for you.  Yes, I go diving.  I
>started
>>in 1962 after a home course given by a YMCA instructor and have been
active
>>every since.  My first card came from NAUI in 1969 when it became hard to
>>get air without one.  I did my cave diving back in the mid to late 60s.
It
>>was nothing like what you're doing now, but it was extreme for
recreational
>>divers of the time.  I do something in the range of 50 dives a year.  I
>>didn't record anything for the first 30 years and am still not real good
>>about doing so.  I've had a boat of my own since I was 6.  If I count my
>>kayak and inflatable, I have 4 diveable boats at the moment and have made
>an
>>offer on another.  I live in the same county as you do, know some of the
>>same people and, when I use a commercial operator, dive off of some of the
>  >same boats you do.  I dive almost exclusively salt water.  I have a
Haclyon
>>stainless plate and 18 lb lift wing, breath the long hose on a Scuba Pro
>>Mk-20/G250 with a R380 on a necklace.  I have two scout lights on the
>>harness at all times.  I also have a Halcyon aluminum plate that I'm
>>configuring for dive travel.  All of this was purchased from a store you
>>know well, it's right next door to the Southport Raw Bar.  Remember the
>>place?  It's called Brownies.
>>
>>My Scout light flooded, so did another posters.  When mine did, I went
back
>
>>to Brownies.  They are the ones who told me about the problem reflectors
>>from UK.  I didn't come up with it, I just repeated it here.  I also said
>>that the light is robust and that it was replaced promptly as I expected
it
>>would be.  I believe I had some nice things to say about the light, the
>>shop, the the manufacturer and the CEO of the company.  Which of these do
>>you not agree with?
>>
>>>  I know the history of all of these pieces of equipment and am involved
in
>>>  the evolution of every one of them. Just to correct your other piece of
>>>  bullshit, there are two basic similar light heads that those guys make,
>>and
>>>  one will not fit where the other is designed to go - at all.
>>
>>Well, then I suppose the folks at Brownies were wrong.  Be sure to tell
>them
>>next time you stop into the shop.
>>
>>>  The problem is as I was saying, and a leaking light needs to be
returned
>>or thrown
>>>  away, not taken on dives.
>>
>>You seem to be having a problem with reading.  Nobody, and certainly not
>me,
>>said that a leaking light should be taken on a dive, ever.  I said I
>>returned mine and it was replaced.  It seems that we agree on a key
>element.
>>Not bad for a moron.  Perhaps you throw away $80 lights that fail, but
most
>>of us prefer to return them for a refund or replacement, as I did.  It
also
>>seems that I have a higher opinion of the Scout light than you do.  I
don't
>>expect a light that expensive to fail the second time it hits the water,
as
>>mine did.  I expected the light to work consistently and reliably
>>specifically because it was developed for an environment that is
>unforgiving
>>of equipment failures and is manufacturered by someone who appears to care
>>about the quality of his products.  When the light did not live up to my
>>expectations, I looked into why and got an answer that satisfied me.  If
it
>>had not, I would not be using Scout lights today.  If the answer is wrong,
>>then perhaps I should stop using them now.  Is that your recommendation?
>>Tell me quickly because I'm about to introduce another diver to equipment
>JJ
>>makes and if there's a quality problem, I'd like to know about it.
>>
>>>  You are not, do not, and have never been involved in anything but
>bullshit
>>>  on the web. You are the best example of what Capt JT is always
>complaining
>>>  about .
>>
>>No, I'm the best example of what you are always complaining about, a diver
>>who bothers to think for himself and make his own informed decisions on
>>equipment and diving issues.  You're just going to have to live with the
>>fact that not everyone thinks that blindly following another, even if it's
>>you, is a real great idea.  I've learned a lot directly and indirectly
from
>>members of your team, but since I have no desire or expectation of joining
>>your team, you'll just have to get over the fact that I can and will think
>>and decide for myself.
>>
>>Lee
>>
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