Dave, 
the blue collar vs. white collar thing is indeed a genuine english one,
I believe. Nothing to do with firesquads.

I my wreckdiving classes I give a lecture on jurisdictional problems in
wreckdiving, what constitutes a wreck, civil book pf laws issues, state
laws, archeoligacal law, terms of shipping law, and all that stuff. 
So much more I appreciate your car junkyard analogy, this really saves
my day.
May be the UNESCO will put those under protection as well ?
I have dove a wreck in France which actually was being tugged to a
shipjunkyard in Liberia, when the tugging line broke in a storm ;-)
Matthias


dmdalton schrieb:
> 
> Aldo,
> 
> Seems to me that you are the one calling names and
> insulting others. Not Bob.
> 
> You may want to pick up on one of those courses that
> you so kindly recommended to Bob, I would suggest
> "English as a Second Language".  The proper insult
> would have been "blue collar American".  Please note
> America and American gets a capital "A" not a small
> "a" just like the first letter of the name of every
> country, even yours.
> 
> You might wish to convey your self-righteous
> judgmental attitude and thoughts to one of our groups
> of "blue collar Americans" AKA our Firemen and
> Policemen who gave their lives responding to the
> 9/11/01 terrorist attack.  Just because you, in your
> country, wherever that might be, may have a class or
> cast system, of which you seem to feel you are at the
> top of the ladder, please note we do not here.
> 
> I hope you were able to tune in to the benefit concert
> in NYC about a week ago.  If not I'll pass on the
> highlight of the evening, a quote directed to Bin
> Laden which I now direct to you.  "In the fine
> tradition of Irishmen everywhere, I say to you, YOU
> CAN KISS MY ROYAL IRISH (AMERICAN) ASS!" Approximate
> quote by a NYC blue collar worker (AKA Fireman) who
> lost his brother, another NYC Blue Collar Worker (AKA
> Fireman) in the 9/11/01 terrorist attack.
> 
> Aldo a wreck is called a wreck because it is a wreck!
> In our country when we have two cars that wreck we
> haul them off to a junk yard and sell the scrap.
> Since we have a rich cultural heritage we do not feel
> it necessary to try to make some sort of cultural
> significance out of each car wreck we have.  The same
> thing would happen to ship wrecks if they were 1) not
> hidden from sight and 2) easier to salvage.  So get
> off the cultural heritage crap.  What I and most
> divers I know dive has no cultural significance.
> 
> I really love it when UNESCO has a bunch of reps from
> a bunch of do nothing counties that can't even support
> themselves without American aid and funding, get
> together and try to decide how the world should be
> governed. I'll tell you what Aldo, when you have a
> country that betters the USA, THEN come back and talk
> to me about your "better way" and "one world
> government".
> 
> Until then as I said before:
> 
> YOU CAN KISS MY ROYAL IRISH AMERICAN ASS
>  (in Macy's Front Window)
> 
> Dave Dalton
> 
> --- "Aldo Solari [APS]" <aldo.solari@ho*.se*> wrote:
> > Mr.  Decker,  you  do  not  only  ignore what UNESCO
> > has done for
> > cultural  heritage  and the biosphere worldwide but
> > dont have the
> > slightest  idea  on fish population dynamics. You
> > are the typical
> > "blue  collar america" who insult, kick around and
> > shout due lack
> > of  arguments,  education  and respect for others.
> > While I cannot
> > culturize  you  through  an electronic forum, I urge
> > you to go to
> > some  evening courses at the university, read about
> > what you like
> > to discuss and watch up your mouth.
> >
> > Without  a  track  record  in  scientific research
> > or diving, you
> > hardly have a place to argue here.
> >
> > ----
> > aldo.solari@ho*.se* (fisheries biologist)
> > Home page, www.ccbb.ulpgc.es/fish-ecology/solaris
> > ----
> >
> > RDecker388@ao*.co*
> >
> > Rac> In a message dated 10/23/01 10:26:03 PM Eastern
> > Daylight Time,
> > Rac> aldo.solari@ho*.se* writes:
> >
> >
> > >> .   Wreckers  should  study  basics  in  law,
> > cultural
> > >> heritage,  social  anthropology  and  archeology.
> > Nobody will get
> > >> killed by going to some seminars, reading some
> > material and doing
> > >> some field work with specialized instructors.
> > >>
> >
> > Rac> Tell you what, Chief, I studied archeology, the
> > underwater variety to be
> > Rac> specific, while in college.  I even gave a bit
> > of thought to doing degree
> > Rac> work in anthropology.  I know several
> > professional archeologists well,
> > Rac> particularly those specializing in submerged
> > cultureal materials. Wanna hear
> > Rac> my "enlighted and educated" view of UNESCO?  It
> > stinks.  It will do nothing
> > Rac> to protect anything worth protecting, will
> > result in a "black market" of
> > Rac> wreck diving and fishing resulting in the
> > location of potentially culturally
> > Rac> significant sites going unreported and has the
> > potential to destroy the
> > Rac> recreational diving industry.
> >
> > Rac> You use passionate, insulting commentary such
> > as "terrorists," "wreck
> > Rac> grubbers" and "cutural resource killers," yet
> > likely have never been involved
> > Rac> in an underwater archeological project
> > yourself.  You come off as someone
> > Rac> lost in the hallowed halls of academia with
> > little or no understading of the
> > Rac> real world and how it works.
> >
> > Rac> The fact is, the majority of the wreck divers I
> > know are fairly conciencious
> > Rac> people.  They aren't about to strip artifacts
> > off of any sites that are
> > Rac> truely significant cultural resources.  The
> > vast majority of worthwhile sites
> > Rac> that have been identified have been found and
> > reported by sport divers, not
> > Rac> professional archeologists.  In contrast,
> > archeologist often are the worst
> > Rac> hackers/destroyers/treasure hunters that exist.
> >  Take a trip to Port Royal
> > Rac> Jamaica and see the rotting, rusting, crumbling
> > artifacts left to waste away
> > Rac> by archeologists due largely to a lack of
> > funding.  These items are of some
> > Rac> significance and obviously would be better
> > cared for if in the hands of a few
> > Rac> "wreck gutters," who would conserve and display
> > them, instead of in the hands
> > Rac> of professional archeologists!
> >
> > Rac> Here's a thought.  You want to protect all the
> > wrecks laying in your
> > Rac> country's sovereign waters, go for it.
> > However, if you want to muddle in the
> > Rac> territorial waters of other countries, thanks
> > but no thanks, we'll keep care
> > Rac> of our own.
> >
> > Rac> (I'm not even going to touch the nonsense you
> > put forward concerning fishing,
> > Rac> degradation of fish stocks, etc.  A six year
> > old with a kindergarten
> > Rac> education would recognize that for a crock of
> > bull).
> >
> >
> 
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