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From: RDecker388@ao*.co*
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:38:47 EDT
Subject: Re: UNESCO
To: aldo.solari@ho*.se*, aocfishman@ho*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com,
     NCtechdivers@sportdiverhq.com, olympusdiving@ya*.co*,
     VBtech@ci*.co*

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In a message dated 10/21/01 7:07:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
aldo.solari@ho*.se* writes:


> You miss the main point: many of the "technical divers" are wreck
> gutters  and cultural heritage killers.

Give me a break!  Most sportdivers, whether technical or recreational, do not 
spend much time diving on culturally significant shipwrecks.  The majority of 
the sites explored by sport divers are of fairly recent construction and do 
not contain a great deal of information that cannot be garnered from other 
sources.  Granted, vessels of wooden construction, built in times when 
blueprints and documentation were not part of the scheme, are of great 
historical value.  More modern vessels, however, hold little information of 
significance.

Simply put, sport divers do not spend a great deal of time diving on piles of 
ballast stones.  There is nothing of interest there for them.  The vast 
majority of recreational diving takes place on vessels constructed later than 
1900.  The construction of such vessels is well documented.  The social 
structures of those times are equally well documented.  There is nothing 
particularly significant about these shipwrecks warranting this kind of 
protection.

In the past I have had the pleasure to work with and get to know some 
reasonably minded professional archeologist.  Those not wearing the blinders 
of academia are quick to note that one of the biggest blows to the 
identification of new sites, both significant and non-significant, was the 
passing of the Shipwreck Act of 1987 in the U.S.  In many U.S. waters the 
redtape and potential loss of access became so great that mouths became 
closed when new sites were identified.

There is a vast quantity of submerged cultural resources hidden beneath the 
Earth's waters.  Most of those are of little cutural or historical value.  As 
it stands there is not enough funding to even allow simple survey of all the 
identified sites that are of significance.  If it were not for sport divers 
much information we do have would've been lost.  The UN would do more for 
preserving our cultural heritage if they were to help fund survey of 
significant sites rather than banning access to all sites regardless of their 
value.

For what it's worth, I am not particularly an artifact hunter.  It is simply 
not my thing.  I prefer to explore and photograph rather than dig for 
monentos.  That not withstanding, I do not fault those divers that do have an 
interest in collecting artifacts.  I have enough intellengence to recognize 
that a porthole or cage light removed from the remains of a WWII era ship has 
no significant value in terms of cultural heritage.  I have also watched the 
rapid degradation of various shipwrecks long enough to realize that anything 
simply left on the ocean floor will likely disappear at the hand of Mother 
Nature quite quickly enough.

There are, without question, sites deserving to be protected and preserved 
until they can be properly documented or excavated.  However, the fact 
remains that such sites are more the exception than the rule.  To use 
terminology such as "wreck gutters" and "cultural heritage killers" is to 
demonstrate one's niaveite concerning what truely does and does not represent 
valuable submerged cultural rescources.

Good day.

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FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Verdana" LANG="0">In a message dated 10/21/01 7:07:32
PM Eastern Daylight Time, aldo.solari@ho*.se* writes:
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You miss the main
point: many of the "technical divers" are wreck
<BR>gutters  and cultural heritage killers.</FONT><FONT 
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<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
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<BR>Give me a break!  Most sportdivers, whether technical or
recreational, do not spend much time diving on culturally significant
shipwrecks.  The majority of the sites explored by sport divers are of
fairly recent construction and do not contain a great deal of information that
cannot be garnered from other sources.  Granted, vessels of wooden
construction, built in times when blueprints and documentation were not part of
the scheme, are of great historical value.  More modern vessels, however,
hold little information of significance.
<BR>
<BR>Simply put, sport divers do not spend a great deal of time diving on
piles of ballast stones.  There is nothing of interest there for them.
 The vast majority of recreational diving takes place on vessels
constructed later than 1900.  The construction of such vessels is well
documented.  The social structures of those times are equally well
documented.  There is nothing particularly significant about these
shipwrecks warranting this kind of protection.
<BR>
<BR>In the past I have had the pleasure to work with and get to know some
reasonably minded professional archeologist.  Those not wearing the
blinders of academia are quick to note that one of the biggest blows to the
identification of new sites, both significant and non-significant, was the
passing of the Shipwreck Act of 1987 in the U.S.  In many U.S. waters the
redtape and potential loss of access became so great that mouths became closed
when new sites were identified.
<BR>
<BR>There is a vast quantity of submerged cultural resources hidden beneath
the Earth's waters.  Most of those are of little cutural or historical
value.  As it stands there is not enough funding to even allow simple
survey of all the identified sites that are of significance.  If it were
not for sport divers much information we do have would've been lost.  The
UN would do more for preserving our cultural heritage if they were to help fund
survey of significant sites rather than banning access to all sites regardless
of their value.
<BR>
<BR>For what it's worth, I am not particularly an artifact hunter.  It
is simply not my thing.  I prefer to explore and photograph rather than
dig for monentos.  That not withstanding, I do not fault those divers that
do have an interest in collecting artifacts.  I have enough intellengence
to recognize that a porthole or cage light removed from the remains of a WWII
era ship has no significant value in terms of cultural heritage.  I have
also watched the rapid degradation of various shipwrecks long enough to realize
that anything simply left on the ocean floor will likely disappear at the hand
of Mother Nature quite quickly enough.
<BR>
<BR>There are, without question, sites deserving to be protected and
preserved until they can be properly documented or excavated.  However,
the fact remains that such sites are more the exception than the rule.  To
use terminology such as "wreck gutters" and "cultural heritage killers" is to
demonstrate one's niaveite concerning what truely does and does not represent
valuable submerged cultural rescources.
<BR>
<BR>Good day.</FONT></HTML>

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