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From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: "Wendell Grogan" <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>
Cc: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: Does He prevents freezing?
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:01:28 -0400
Lundgren is in Sweden and dives even in the winter there. He drives out onto
the ice , locates wrecks using GPS, cuts a hole and dives.

I am so sick of hearing bullshit out of the strokes on techdiver about this
subject. If the Swedes can DIR and have it work perfectly, the strokes are
not going to be able to keep telling me the kind of complete crap that we
saw here, or the bullshit about Poseidon regs, or any other stroke nonsense.

The solutions are always so simple, the problem is that diving is taught and
propagated by morons for the most part. At least now we have an organization
building up that does not have the morons or the legacy of pure bullshit
that is we witness here.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendell Grogan [mailto:wgrogan@dc*.ne*]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:27 PM
To: Trey
Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
Subject: Re: Does He prevents freezing?


OK, this makes me feel better.  I thought I was missing something.  We
routinely dive in water in the 35F range, without any problems with
freeze up on our MK20/250 rigs.  I guess its because we keep them tuned
by a very experienced diver/reg repairman.  The only time I've run into
trouble is from pre-breathing before the dive when there is snow on the
ground.

Wendell
Trey wrote:
>
> Rich, if these guys would try turning down the intermediate pressure of
> their regs and using slow inflators instead of running them at ridiculous
,
> unnecessary pressures and huge flow rates, we would not be having this
> ridiculous discussion in the first place.
>
> The amazing thing about "tech" divers is that the obvious and the basics
are
> way over their heads. That is why they get nothing done and have nothing
to
> report but accidents, clusterfucks, and bullshit.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich Lesperance [mailto:richl@uf*.ed*]
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 3514 12:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Does He prevents freezing?
>
> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>
> The triple point describes the point at which the boundries of the liquid,
> gasseous and solid phases meet on a graph of temperature versus pressure.
>
> All gasses cool as they expand, regardless of the "mix". None can heat up
as
> they expand - that violates a couple of major physical laws <g>.
>
> Rich L
>
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