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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 23:07:24 -0400
To: Isaac Callicrate <icallicrate@ho*.co*>, SRSCHIRATO@BK*.co*,
     OEA51@go*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
From: wendell grogan <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>
Subject: Re: RES: Re: [E-CAVERS] BIG Bull and Squeeze
Isaac,
I think you made some good points, but there really are some guidlines that can
be followed to prevent injury.
I personally find that I feel worse after an hour lifting weights than I do
after a well executed dive.  Sure, you feel tired and a bit drained after a
dive, but after you finish your surface deco, you should be ready to go!
Trey talks about the half hour rule- if, after a half hour, you don't feel up
to a five mile run, then you didn't do adequate deco (or you're not in good
enough shape for the dive you did).
You have to realize that just walking around induces a certain amount of trauma
on the human body, so you are right in saying that all diving involves some
injury.  That's OK because your body is designed to deal with 
that.  Its when you overwhelm your body's ability to cope with injury that you
get into trouble.
In terms of deciding whether or not a particular ache or pain is DCI, there are
a number of ground rule that can be applied.  However, I think a more rational
approach is that if it goes away, then sit back and analyse 
what happened.  Take the pain and use it as a warning that you did something
wrong.  Maybe it was DCI, maybe it was overstressing joints that you hadn't
adequately trained before the dive.  Think it through, talk to a 
medical advisor if you're not sure, then modify your training or deco
procedures to prevent it from happening again.
Wendell




>Ever feel tired on a dive? 
>More so than equivalent surface exercise? Where to draw the line between 
>normal post dive exhaustion cause (dehydration, exercise, CO2, Gas Exchange, 
>body temperature) and possible bubble injury? I think most divers base it on 
>symptom resolution (take a nap and feel better). Unfortunately if it was DCI 
>than you are behind the clock. I think it is the same with aches and mild 
>pains. It might be DCI, but if it resolves without recompression than how do 
>you know? I think it boils down to diving to a level of risk you are 
>educated enough to make a decision about. Without the access to doppler, 
>hyperbaric oxygen, and an intensive care support structure we are increasing 
>risk significantly. The best you can do to minimize that permanent risk is 
>if you think you might have a pressure injury, don't wait, call the 
>appropriate authority. All divers should be insured for, encouraged to use 
>and have access to hyperbaric treatment. I hope I gave you some answer in 
>there somewhere.


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