On 10/1/01 10:07 PM, "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote: >> When I was a judo enthusiast we were taught that a choke is where you cut >> off the flow of air whereas a strangle is where you cut off the flow of >> blood. Not sure what this has to do with tech diving, but in an article in Black Belt Magazine there is described a test performed to determine whether or not Judo-style choke holds or shime-waza, caused any serious or permanent damage as a result of unconsciousness to a Judoka uke. The following are excerpts from the article DANGER IN THE JUDO CHOKE? By Ken Endow. It has been edited for purpose of this discussion: "Three methods of choking were used: okurieri-jime, the neck squeezed as a whole; katajuji-jime, the carotid arteries' region pressed; hadaka-jime, the trachea depressed. Describing the technique of choking in the 1968 AAU-USJF Official Judo Handbook, Dr. E. K. Kiowai explains, "Basically, except for one form of shimewaza, hadaka-jime the pressure is applied to the lateral side of the neck which the anatomists call the 'carotid triangle' . . . In the center of this triangle are the jugular veins, carotid artery and its branches and the carotid sinus. No strong muscle protects this area. The pressure is applied in a certain manner, depending upon the technique, directly on these structures. It may be the fist or the collar of the judogi. Very often it is the pressure of the dista end (joint) of the radius and the wrist which compresses the soft structures of the neck. Until the above name structures are-'sufficiently compressed the choke will not be effective. The neophyte may submit not because of the choke but because of the fear of being choked or the pain produced by improper choking methods." As Dr. Koiwai explains it, the hadaka-jimi choke hold is different from other forms because part of the pressure is applied to the larynx and trachea which is extremely painful and the player will usually submit before unconsciousness intervenes. It seems the pain threshold on the hadaka-jime method of choking was too great to induce unconsciousness and would be a poor method to rely on in tournament play because the opponent would probably fight all the more to gain release. However with the okurieri-jime and the katajuji-jime all the subjects lost consciousness and entered a state that was similar in many respects to that of sleeping. As the subject regained consciousness spontaneously his electroencephalogram readings returned to normal. It should be repeated that in all the cases the performer released his grip immediately after the subjects fell unconscious, thereby limiting the effect of choking to a short period. But had the strangulation continued serious aftereffects would have been expected. What causes unconsciousness from choking? The findings show the stopping of the flow of blood to the head plays an important role in causing the unconsciousness. In other words, the subject blacks out due to the lack of oxygen in the brain which is fed blood via the carotid arteries. Also linked to this lack of oxygen to the brain are the convulsions which sometimes accompany the judo choke knockout. The electroencephalograph recorded symptoms very similar to that of a short epileptic seizure. To prevent any dangers that may accompany the choke, the Kodokan bulletin advises it is dangerous to perform the choking bold on subjects with cardiac disorders or those suffering from hypertension since the load to the heart and the rise in blood pressure is marked. It is also advised that it is dangerous for youngsters whose nervous system and heart have not yet attained complete development." -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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