Joe, maybe he wanted to just rant. Most of these big timers can't even do a
frog kick and dive like a bull in a china shop. The bungee issue is old news.



-----Original Message-----
From: "Joseph Citelli"<joe@po*.co*>
To: "Kevin Rottner"<kevin@So*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Date: Sat Sep 22 19:01:12 PDT 2001
Subject: Re: Bungee Wings of Death

>Hi Kevin:
>
>You missed my point (or perhaps I didn't express myself clear enough).
>
>The bungee wings are ludicrous.  No question about it.  My point was that
>instead of calling the guy a stroke on another list, you should have
>explained to him why the bungee wings are less than optimal.  What you
>explained on this list (unless you cc'd him) does him no good.  He is most
>probably at a point in his diving where he REALLY doesn't know the
>difference.  Maybe you could be the one to open his eyes.
>
>Then again, maybe you already did this and were just venting here.  If so,
>thats fine.  If not, maybe you should think about doing so.
>
>Regards.
>
>Joe
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Kevin Rottner <kevin@So*.co*>
>To: Joe <joe@po*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:26 PM
>Subject: Bungee Wings of Death
>
>
>> So did you explain why he might not want to do that?
>>
>> Just curious.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Joe.
>> OMS markets their "Elastomeric Retraction Bands" as a device that "
>Assists
>> in deflation" and "Elimination of air shift " and " Low drag / low snag "
>> and finally " Trim Adjustability." These are the buzzwords. But I really
>> think people dive them because they " look tech ". I personally think
>that's
>> why people still dive with cages or cobras, and things like ten brass
>snaps
>> on their  for no reason.
>> But these " look tech " bungees are really an evil plot, much like the
>> Russians and Water Fluoridation. ( I think we need a few more laughs a
>> little more often on this list .... )
>> Why I think they are bad:
>> 1. Even loose, they can prevent you from getting all your lift out of a
>> bladder, and the tighter the worse the problem.
>> 2. Even loose, you cannot fully orally inflate them, and once again, the
>> tighter they are, the worse the problem.
>> 3. Even when set "right", they create surface folds on the bladder which
>> increase turbulence and create more drag than they could ever eliminate.
>> 4. They can trap air in a wing not allowing you to fully deflate the wing
>>  sort of the reverse of # 1 )
>> 5. The bands hold the bladder closer to the diver, closer to the center of
>> gravity, this can effect roll, and making some positions more difficult.
>> 6. A stuck dump valve can become a fatal failure even with moderately
>tight
>> bands, literally power dumping your wing, on the way to the bottom.
>> 7. I'm a wreck diver, and they can be serious snag points, despite the
>> marketing claims.
>> But don't take my word for it. Research the Jane Orenstein fatality, dual
>> steels and a wetsuit in a mix course, body recovered by some of those on
>> this list. Check out the Ben Longhi fatality, totally attributable to
>those
>> dams cords. Or research John Claypool / Andre Smith / Mike Ekin
>fatalities.
>> I could go on and on ...... I also grow tired of burying divers.
>> What purpose do they have. If you don't need it ......
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>
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