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Lee,
This thread is now so convoluted and out of context *I* barely know
what you're talking about. Bottom line: I'm not advocating "Taliban"
controls, but we need to police ourselves. For those people that want to
exercise their freedom to be stupid I'll exercise my freedom to tell them
they are stupid like I did when a cavern rated OW "instructor" was about to
take two students (who shouldn't have been out of a pool) into Little River
cave. What would you have done? Shrugged and said, "That's their choice."?
C.
Chris Elmore
PalmettoSoft Technologies Corp.
(803) 233-2001 (work)
(803) 348-3055 (mobile)
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Bell <leebell@ix*.ne*.co*>
To: Chris Elmore <elmorec@at*.ne*>; Eric Nelson
<enelson@op*.ne*>
Cc: Techdiver <Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Re Insurance
> Chris Elmore wrote:
>
> > Secondly, it was an illustration of how someone's stupidity is not just
> > restricted to them but affects us all . . . the company that covers my
> > house, cars, and my wife and child's policy won't cover me. Why? because
> > idiots keep killing themselves in ways that draws media attention. If we
> > can't get people who dive to figure out what works and what doesn't how
do
> > you expect non-diving actuarys to have a clue?
>
> First of all, you're being a bit arrogant to assume that you have a clue
but
> we don't. If you asked every diver on this list who believes that diving
> solo is not an increased risk, I suspect you'd see not a single hand.
> Unfortunately for your point, if you asked exactly the same question about
> cave diving, I'd be willing to bet you'd get exactly the same resonse.
> Every person here knows there is increased risk to technical diving,
> whatever the term means to you. What you don't seem to get is that
freedom
> of choice has a cost and your freedom to dive in caves, deep, wrecks,
> whatever gets you off, is dependent on the ability of every one of us to
> make our own choices, whether you like them or not.
>
> OK, so WKPP's safety record is truly wonderful, but do you think, for even
a
> second, that if the choice were left up to the majority, whether their
> insurance rates went up or you were allowed to do your thing, that you're
> desires would win? Do you fail to realize that my choice to dive solo (if
> and when I make that choice) is identical to your choice to dive in a cave
> to those who do not understand what thinking and planning went into our
> individual choices? I'd bet that if you took the deaths from diving in
> caves as a percentage of the total people who have dived in caves and
> compared it to the deaths of solo divers as a percentage of all who have
> dived solo, that the cave death percentage would be so far above the solo
> percentage that the regulators of this world, including the insurance
> agencies would know exactly whose sport needs to be stopped. If you want
> the freedom to chose what you want to do, you have to support the freedom
of
> others to chose for themselves as well, even when it costs them their
lives,
> even when it costs you a few dollars. That's just how it is. We can live
> with it, or, as an alternative, create a Taliban of our own to dictate
every
> element of our lives. I'm betting your choice will be the same as mine.
>
> Lee
>
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