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From: "Andy Schmidt" <Andy_Schmidt@HM*.co*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: Lines in the Sand
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:19:26 -0400
Yep, let's start with the country that harbored their training camp
(Florida).

Then the country of residence and where they were attending a technical
college (Germany).

Not to forget the country of origin (Saudi Arabia)...

Hm... wait a minute... so may be we DO have to turn on our brains after all?

I'm all for punishing those who were responsible, conspiring or otherwise
tolerated these activities. If it takes a war effort - so be it. Those who
tell themselves there is a quick fix to the problem are running through the
world with their eyes and ears closed. Nothing is more certain then that any
reaction will lead to an even bigger counter-reaction two to five years down
the road.

That doesn't mean that punishment should be avoided - just don't lie to
yourself that eliminating terrorists is somehow equal to eliminating
terrorism.  Just like other areas of civil and political unrest in the past
100 years: As long as a region is not at peace and the U.S. finds itself
forced into taking one or the other side and actively supporting one or the
other party, they will just as certain piss off the opponents and be
vulnerable to their hatred.  Why some Americans assume that the U.S. can
dictate the battlefield of its foreign policies is beyond me.  For every
American-made or financed weapon fired somewhere in the world, there is some
family member who instantly became your biggest enemy.  Most of them will
never have the financial and logistical opportunity to act out their
revenge - but given enough decades in time, there will always be a few who
are determined enough to bring devastation back to the U.S.

So do strike and strike hard - just do it knowingly that this is only
another step in a bloody escalation that will go on for a least the next
generation.  It is as certain as hell, that more building will tumble in the
decades to come - for a change, it will no longer just be abroad.  In the
long run, it is the peace process in the Middle East that is the only hope
for a solution where countries in that region can address their own
matters - without the U.S. being savior to one side and devil to the other.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Wilson [mailto:ac4bw@ya*.co*]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 03:06 PM
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Lines in the Sand


Jim may sound harsh, but you have to realize what just
happened to us. We have tried to be nice and these
jerks have attacked us over and over again. They blew
up embassys, and we did little. Some jerk on a raft
took out a billion dollar warship, and we did NOTHING.
Now, they kill thousands. And that doesn't even count
the monetary damage to those who's businesses were
destroyed, people who now have no job, and the massive
amount of just property damage. We are in a state of
total rage. I agree with what I heard my own Senator,
Zell Miller (D-Georgia and a former Marine) said:

"Bomb the HELL out of them." He continued saying, So
what if there is collaterial damage. They obviously
didn't care about innocent civilians, why should we
care about theirs. If they get in the way, that's just
too bad.

I say we turn those countries who harbor or have
anything to do with terrorists into a freaking parking
lot. And if the innocent civilians don't want to be
hit, then they better dig in or get outta town.

Brad

--- Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> wrote:
> No, no joke. This is all being funded by our oil
> dollars. We just go over
> there and take the damn oil, the fundamentalists
> have no more funds, problem
> solved.
>

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