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OK, so what sort of money are we talking about here? And what is so difficult about making one of these things? You people are really good at providing a limited amount of useless information! -----Original Message----- From: "givemeabreak george"<georgegivemeabreak@ho*.co*> To: trey@ne*.co*, grichardson@at*.ne*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, quest@gu*.co* Date: Wed Sep 12 15:23:27 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: George has done it again! >Hey guys you seem to forget that standardization is not everything. >George FORCES us to buy one (or more) of his scooters to be on the team. He >says he is selling them for cost to us... bull. He pockets the money and >then decides that since you are a stroke he may not fix it! >He says it is better to use the Gavin because of standarization of the >team, but why not use the latest, greatest and best? Is George going to fix >it underwater? What an idiot! Do not get me wrong the Gavin is a decent >scooter, but the next generation scooter is clearly better ie Silent >Submersion. It's like being happy with a Pent.II chip but we all know that >P4 is better. Wouldn't you rather have the best? Of course. George is now >threatening to make them "cheaper" so we better look out. What a moron....go >ahead and make them cheaper. You have already ripped off your primary >market, now make them cheaper and rip off the secondary market. The only >reason you are saying this is because your sales have bombed because of the >"improved gavin clones". >Give me a break.... > >>From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey) >>To: <grichardson@at*.ne*>, "techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, >>"Quest@Gu*. Com" <quest@gu*.co*> >>Subject: RE: George has done it again! >>Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:51:34 -0400 >> >> >>Submersion is significantly cheaper to make. The guy is merely using my >>benchmark to price, and then is not delivering the same performance. He >>could get away with this because I could not keep up with orders, but now >>my >>supply chain is secured , caught up and increased so I can produce a lot >>more than before. I lowered my price several times as I found economies of >>scale. >> >>I can make any form of scooter, and have done so. Anyone who wants to see >>any of my other scooters can stop by my house and look. The one we use in >>the WKPP is the Gavin design with standard internal part sizes that make >>everyone's scooter and parts interchangeable. I could even make a >>submersion >>( of course done right, not kluged ) and make it interchangeable, but then >>I have to go through the risk period knowing that there might be screwups >>with the flexing of the back end and nose. We solved that problem in the EE >>lights by using a middle bulkhead and a hard material lid. If we used HDPE >>for the lid, it would bow and leak badly. Anyway, one more word out of >>those >>assholes and I will make their scooter properly and a hell of a lot >>cheaper, >>so I suggest these idiots not test me. >> >>What I did with the current version of the Gavin is make one up and have >>some of my young guns dive them it and out of deep water at our dive sites >>accompanied by divers on regular Gavins and towing Gavins to see if there >>would be any issues over a period of a year. When there were not, I went >>ahead and produced those. While I don't have time for that kind of thing, I >>sure have no problem making anything anyone wants cheaper and better and >>let >>them take the risk ( like they are with that piece of shit) , and the fact >>is that most people who buy things like that don't have a clue and don't do >>what we do anyway, so there probably is not much risk. Hell, just about >>anything works at Ginnie Springs or bounce diving. >> >>Funny who goes the distance and what they use, and funny who explores the >>serious wrecks and what they use. Not a coincidence, let me assure you. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: grichardson@at*.ne* [mailto:grichardson@at*.ne*] >>Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:08 PM >>To: techdiver >>Cc: georgegivemeabreak@ho*.co* >>Subject: Re:George has done it again! >> >> >>Hey Giveme, >> >>At first you come out for the Submersion, and against the >>Gavin. You say George is ripping people off, even though >>the Submersion costs more. >> >>Then you claim to be a WKPP diver, yea right, and want to >>stay on the team. But Gavins are the only the only >>scooters used in the WKPP. So you want to continue using >>a Gavin, even though you say the Submersion is superior? >> >>Now you have put yourself on both sides of the fence and >>don't have the balls to sign your name and stand up for >>either side. By your own admission you're a hypocrite. >>Who would believe any of your nonsense BS? You're done. >>Time to sit down. >> >>Grady >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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