It's is coming from an AOL account to a hotmail account, a real player.
Another "helium diver" maybe? I think you have it with the "mommy" part, but
then some of the dumb red necks out there appear like naive little kids in
their collective ignorance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Grey [mailto:grey@te*.ne*]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:58 PM
To: givemeabreak george; trey@ne*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: George has done it again!


Why don't  you go back home to Mommy and see if she will let you use your
real name.
Of course, that is if even she knows your real name.
Later,


----- Original Message -----
From: "givemeabreak george" <georgegivemeabreak@ho*.co*>
To: <trey@ne*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: George has done it again!


>
> Trey
>
> You can whine all you want. Your scooters are sewer pipe and glue. Oh I
> forgot "chemically welded" glue. What an asshole.
> Why don't you post the real costs involved and just how much you are
ripping
> off people with the glue and PVC. I should know. Your scooters are
breaking
> constantly and must be returned for repair. Other designs such as the
silent
> submersion have totally improved on the Gavin design
> The only reason I have to use this hotmail account is that I am a WKPP
diver
> and I do not want any repercussions on me or my friends.
>
>
>
> >From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
> >To: "givemeabreak george" <georgegivemeabreak@ho*.co*>,
> ><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >Subject: RE: George has done it again!
> >Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 07:16:49 -0400
> >
> >
> >First of all, moron, who had built some 200 of them that are still in
> >service an still covered under warranty and still are setting all the
> >records? What makes you think we don't know what we are doing when nobody
> >else seems to be able to get there?
> >
> >Mine are PVC for several good reasons, none of which you need to know.
They
> >are otherwise the way they are for good reasons you do not need to know.
> >Anyone who does need to know has one or will talk to somebody who does
and
> >get one. However, asshole, you might want to ask when the last time
"sewer
> >pipe" came apart in a building or house? The bond is chemical, not
"glue",
> >and in some cases it is welded and bonded.
> >
> >The ss is still a total kluge. The inside compartment motor compartment
is
> >the stupidest thing I have ever seen and it will not hold its integrity.
> >They have tried all kinds of fixes but it will not work the way they do
it.
> >That is all I will say about that part, I don't want them figuring it
out.
> >The wiring is a disgrace. It is cheap crap kluged together with bullshit
> >connectors in every position.
> >
> >The motorcycle handle thing is the dumbest invention yet, and is
worthless
> >,
> >causes all kinds of problems.
> >
> >The hdpe is too soft. It needs to be really thick ( they have the bodies
an
> >inch thick ) and it still flexes all over the place. Screws pull right
out
> >of it. All of these different plastics have their advantages and
drawbacks,
> >and I actually could make one with certain parts HDPE, and do it right,
but
> >there is no need. Most people are fooled by the end taper on that thing,
> >whereas the problem with that is that this leaves the motor too close to
> >the
> >body, and the fact is at the speeds we run, there is no need for any
> >tapering. There are other ratios that determine drag in these designs,
and
> >again, I will not discuss them.
> >
> >Now, whose scooters hold the European and World cave distance record,
whose
> >scooters are in the hands of the most number of dive teams who really do
> >anything, whose scooters have been backed fully for nine years, whose
> >scooters are the best performing, whose scooters are designed by real
> >engineers and people who really know this stuff, and whose are in the
hands
> >of the strokes?
> >
> >By the way, why is it that you weenies can not use your real name when
> >lying? Are you that scared of me, or are you just another resentful
little
> >liar?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: givemeabreak george [mailto:georgegivemeabreak@ho*.co*]
> >Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:53 PM
> >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Subject: George has done it again!
> >
> >
> >
> > >Trey wrote:
> > >None of you morons even understand why we do what we do, and I am sick
of
> > >explaining it over and over only to have you screw it up , misinterpret
> >it,
> > >and drivel about it when none of you has the experience to tie my shoes
> >or
> > >JJ's.
> > >As for this scooter thread, if anyone wants to know why the silent
> > >submersion ' is a ghastly piece of crap, I'll be glad to explain that
as
> > >well.
> > >
> >
> >Well.....yes George I would like to hear why the Silent Submersion is a
> >piece of crap since your scooters are made of sewer pipe and glue. The
only
> >thing in sewer pipe is crap. Who's the moron here?
> >
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> > >Trey wrote:
> > >
> > >Bullshit - how many have YOU built? Anyone out there who has a problem
> >with
> > >one of mine speak up. There is a far better solution and I use it. You
> >are
> > >really too much.
> > >
> > >In reply Doug Chapman wrote:
> > >George,
> > >It is my business (and I'm damn good at it) building systems that are
> >used
> > >in ocean service that in all reality dwarf the technical challenge of
> >your
> > >scooters. I don't build dive scooters, but I have designed and built
many
> > >remote tethered and untethered deep ocean marine vehicles including
ROVs,
> > >AUVs,manned submersibles, towed acoustic sound sources,
> >submarine-launched
> > >probe systems, submarine systems, various oceanographic
instrumentations,
> > >to
> > >name a few blah blah blah.  'Don't think for a second that a dive
scooter
> > >is
> > >technically challenging to everyone.
> > >Perhaps you think your scooter is the most technically challenging
ocean
> > >system in the whole wide world? I hope not; if you do then you are a
> > >fool,I've seen your scooters in their smallest detail. They are OK,
> >simple,
> > >reliable, low cost - great for their application. 'But you could still
> > >learn
> > >a thing or two. The corrosion system I described works and has been
> >working
> > >for years; perhaps yours does too.
> > >Fine! Let's hear it. You should really learn about people before you
> >assume
> > >too much and get over your head,technically speaking.
> > >
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >George you really put your foot in your big alligator mouth that time.
> >Since you are the bigtime expert on EVERYTHING from Apex regs to Zebra
> >mussels, tell us your brillant Jerry Lewis solution to the corrosion
> >problem. Also please tell us how much expertise you have in designing and
> >building remote tethered and untethered deep ocean marine vehicles
> >including
> >ROVs, AUVs,manned submersibles, towed acoustic sound sources,
> >submarine-launched probe systems, submarine systems, and various
> >oceanographic instrumentations.
> >Please tell the US goverment how to do it so we can save millions in R&D.
> >You really are a moron.
> >Later.
> >Give me a break Einstein.
> >
> >
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