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Trey You can whine all you want. Your scooters are sewer pipe and glue. Oh I forgot "chemically welded" glue. What an asshole. Why don't you post the real costs involved and just how much you are ripping off people with the glue and PVC. I should know. Your scooters are breaking constantly and must be returned for repair. Other designs such as the silent submersion have totally improved on the Gavin design The only reason I have to use this hotmail account is that I am a WKPP diver and I do not want any repercussions on me or my friends. >From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey) >To: "givemeabreak george" <georgegivemeabreak@ho*.co*>, ><techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Subject: RE: George has done it again! >Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 07:16:49 -0400 > > >First of all, moron, who had built some 200 of them that are still in >service an still covered under warranty and still are setting all the >records? What makes you think we don't know what we are doing when nobody >else seems to be able to get there? > >Mine are PVC for several good reasons, none of which you need to know. They >are otherwise the way they are for good reasons you do not need to know. >Anyone who does need to know has one or will talk to somebody who does and >get one. However, asshole, you might want to ask when the last time "sewer >pipe" came apart in a building or house? The bond is chemical, not "glue", >and in some cases it is welded and bonded. > >The ss is still a total kluge. The inside compartment motor compartment is >the stupidest thing I have ever seen and it will not hold its integrity. >They have tried all kinds of fixes but it will not work the way they do it. >That is all I will say about that part, I don't want them figuring it out. >The wiring is a disgrace. It is cheap crap kluged together with bullshit >connectors in every position. > >The motorcycle handle thing is the dumbest invention yet, and is worthless >, >causes all kinds of problems. > >The hdpe is too soft. It needs to be really thick ( they have the bodies an >inch thick ) and it still flexes all over the place. Screws pull right out >of it. All of these different plastics have their advantages and drawbacks, >and I actually could make one with certain parts HDPE, and do it right, but >there is no need. Most people are fooled by the end taper on that thing, >whereas the problem with that is that this leaves the motor too close to >the >body, and the fact is at the speeds we run, there is no need for any >tapering. There are other ratios that determine drag in these designs, and >again, I will not discuss them. > >Now, whose scooters hold the European and World cave distance record, whose >scooters are in the hands of the most number of dive teams who really do >anything, whose scooters have been backed fully for nine years, whose >scooters are the best performing, whose scooters are designed by real >engineers and people who really know this stuff, and whose are in the hands >of the strokes? > >By the way, why is it that you weenies can not use your real name when >lying? Are you that scared of me, or are you just another resentful little >liar? > >-----Original Message----- >From: givemeabreak george [mailto:georgegivemeabreak@ho*.co*] >Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:53 PM >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com >Subject: George has done it again! > > > > >Trey wrote: > >None of you morons even understand why we do what we do, and I am sick of > >explaining it over and over only to have you screw it up , misinterpret >it, > >and drivel about it when none of you has the experience to tie my shoes >or > >JJ's. > >As for this scooter thread, if anyone wants to know why the silent > >submersion ' is a ghastly piece of crap, I'll be glad to explain that as > >well. > > > >Well.....yes George I would like to hear why the Silent Submersion is a >piece of crap since your scooters are made of sewer pipe and glue. The only >thing in sewer pipe is crap. Who's the moron here? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > >Trey wrote: > > > >Bullshit - how many have YOU built? Anyone out there who has a problem >with > >one of mine speak up. There is a far better solution and I use it. You >are > >really too much. > > > >In reply Doug Chapman wrote: > >George, > >It is my business (and I'm damn good at it) building systems that are >used > >in ocean service that in all reality dwarf the technical challenge of >your > >scooters. I don't build dive scooters, but I have designed and built many > >remote tethered and untethered deep ocean marine vehicles including ROVs, > >AUVs,manned submersibles, towed acoustic sound sources, >submarine-launched > >probe systems, submarine systems, various oceanographic instrumentations, > >to > >name a few blah blah blah. 'Don't think for a second that a dive scooter > >is > >technically challenging to everyone. > >Perhaps you think your scooter is the most technically challenging ocean > >system in the whole wide world? I hope not; if you do then you are a > >fool,I've seen your scooters in their smallest detail. They are OK, >simple, > >reliable, low cost - great for their application. 'But you could still > >learn > >a thing or two. The corrosion system I described works and has been >working > >for years; perhaps yours does too. > >Fine! Let's hear it. You should really learn about people before you >assume > >too much and get over your head,technically speaking. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >George you really put your foot in your big alligator mouth that time. >Since you are the bigtime expert on EVERYTHING from Apex regs to Zebra >mussels, tell us your brillant Jerry Lewis solution to the corrosion >problem. Also please tell us how much expertise you have in designing and >building remote tethered and untethered deep ocean marine vehicles >including >ROVs, AUVs,manned submersibles, towed acoustic sound sources, >submarine-launched probe systems, submarine systems, and various >oceanographic instrumentations. >Please tell the US goverment how to do it so we can save millions in R&D. >You really are a moron. >Later. >Give me a break Einstein. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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