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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 04:24:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters
From: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*>
To: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*>
CC: Techdiver Mailing List <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
You appear to be a little slow...

Define where the misinformation is.  I stated my personal experiences with
Makos, which is pretty much un-arguable.  Most people would also consider
that useful information.  Your axe-to-grind may cause your mileage to
vary...

I'll repeat the question: do you own any scooters?

Do YOU have something to contribute to the thread?

Cam

> From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*>
> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 21:29:54 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*>, "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters
> 
> Sorry, but again more worthless misinformation. If you don't know what you are
> talking about then please sit down!:-)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Cam Banks"<cam@ca*.co*>
> To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>,
> "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Date: Sat Sep 01 19:52:54 PDT 2001
> Subject: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters
> 
>> What are you talking about?  It was a straightforward question, and clearly
>> written as such.  Do you own any scooters?
>> 
>> Yeah, I have a solution: buy something other than a Mako.  That's the limit
>> of my experience.  I'm now shopping for something else and trying to figure
>> out what's best.
>> 
>> Cam
>> 
>>> From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*>
>>> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:29:15 -0700 (PDT)
>>> To: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*>, Trey <trey@ne*.co*>,
>>> "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters
>>> 
>>>> I know the downsides to the Mako: no access to the leaky motor
>>>> compartment,>oval hull with leaky o-rings, both hands required for good
>>>> control, low
>>>> depth limit (180fsw if you're lucky), difficult to replace battery quickly
>>>> with spare, etc.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps you'd care to elaborate? Do you have some solutions or any
>>> information
>>> what so ever or are you just rattling an empty can?
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Cam Banks"<cam@ca*.co*>
>>> To: "Trey"<trey@ne*.co*>,
>>> "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>> Date: Sat Sep 01 14:31:46 PDT 2001
>>> Subject: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters
>>> 
>>>> Okay, I'll bite.  Please tell us what is wrong with the Silent Submersion
>>>> scooter.  Some friends and I are actively considering pro-level scooter
>>>> purchases in the next year or so (Have two crappy Makos already,
>>>> obviously).
>>>> 
>>>> We have also heard that there is at least a 9-month wait for Gavins, and
>>>> that Trey is the sole source for production.
>>>> 
>>>> We also wonder what there is to a scooter, other than a rewound Mako motor
>>>> and a cylindrical hull?
>>>> 
>>>> I know the downsides to the Mako: no access to the leaky motor compartment,
>>>> oval hull with leaky o-rings, both hands required for good control, low
>>>> depth limit (180fsw if you're lucky), difficult to replace battery quickly
>>>> with spare, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> All comments welcome.  Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> Cam
>>>> 
>>>> From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
>>>> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:12:18 -0400
>>>> To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>> Subject: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Will the list of morons who said that there was a web link to GUE which
>>>> stated that 95's were required for classes please show me the link again.
>>>> There is no such. You assholes are really getting to be a pain in the
>>>> ass.Why don't you try learning from the pros instead of constantly fucking
>>>> with them. None of you pussies dives, none of you pussies has done jack
>>>> shit, and I am really sick of the constant crap surrounding GUE and the
>>>> WKPP. You morons do what we do, then tell us how it is done.
>>>> 
>>>> The fact is that nobody but IANTD is stupid enough to have divers dive
>>>> ocean
>>>> with steel tanks and a wetsuit, the fact is that aluminum 80's are the tank
>>>> of choice for ocean, 104's are the tank of choice for drysuit cave, and
>>>> aluminum 80's are the tank for wetsuit cave. Florida is a drysuit cave
>>>> dive,
>>>> Mexico is a wetsuit cave dive.
>>>> 
>>>> None of you morons even understand why we do what we do, and I am sick of
>>>> explaining it over and over only to have you screw it up , misinterpret it,
>>>> and drivel about it when none of you has the experience to tie my shoes or
>>>> JJ's. 
>>>> 
>>>> I'll be glad to pick apart anything the rest of the agencies are doing ad
>>>> infinitum, and I will show why what we do is right. Any time any of you
>>>> want
>>>> to argue that, I will make you look like the morons that you so obviously
>>>> are. 
>>>> 
>>>> As for this scooter thread, if anyone wants to know why the silent
>>>> submersion ' is a ghastly piece of crap, I'll be glad to explain that as
>>>> well. 
>>>> 
>>>> None of you has a clue, trust me - not a fucking clue. What you do and what
>>>> we do are galaxies apart. Let me quite Lee Iacocca , "Lead, follow , or get
>>>> out of the way".
>>>> 
>>>> None of you can lead, and I personally don't want you following me and
>>>> screwing is it up, so get out of our way.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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