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Good advice...I always do... try this,vent your wing as you come up,and as a result of appropriate weighting you WILL be able to stay put at three meters or less...*VBG* Paul Berry Southern Ocean Explorers DIR-N.Z. -----Original Message----- From: marv [mailto:ajmarve@op*.ne*] Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2001 3:37 p.m. To: deepdive Cc: TECHDIVER Subject: Re: FW: FW: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor yes. try this, purge your suit as you come up, and you will stay vaccum packed and as a result, have very little buoyancy from the c4. marv deepdive wrote: > Sounds reasonable to me... > > Is your weighting for neutral buoyancy at 3m with minimum psi in tanks, > minus the cannister light/stages etc? > > Still curious... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: marv [mailto:ajmarve@op*.ne*] > Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2001 2:43 p.m. > To: deepdive > Cc: TECHDIVER > Subject: Re: FW: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor > > > 12 lbs belt, 6 lb plate, pro 6 canister w/ tls350 and c4. hiland bands > w/ sea elite manifold. luxfer standard 80. > > marv > > deepdive wrote: > >> Hey marv, >> Have you been raiding the scrap dealers for lead or what? >> As that's one helluva V-weight you're talking about...let alone >> slung on a weight belt. >> How much weight do you have to carry with your twin 80's in > > drysuit > >> and ocean diving? >> Just curious... >> >> Paul Berry >> Southern Ocean Explorers >> DIR-N.Z. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: marv [mailto:ajmarve@op*.ne*] >> Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2001 3:51 p.m. >> To: Jim Cobb >> Cc: terry michael; MHK; Michael J. Blitch; techdiver@aquanaut.com >> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >> >> >> JIm, >> >> I guess the difference lies in thinking about what one is doing. you >> seem content to ignore any variables in your dive and stumble blindly >> along hoping that you will have brought enuff of whatever. >> >> i could be wrong but this seems to be the antithesis of everything these >> florida guys preach. >> >> the plain fact is i am worried about your approach and its consequences. >> your recent post about brass fever was disconcerting to say the least. >> you may think i am just busting your ass for the sport of it, but >> frankly i am trying to help you see that there is a reason to consider >> each dive as a seperate exposure and to choose equipment accordingly >> with the dir principles in mind, instead of insisting on a one size fits >> all approach. >> >> I suspect that you have not even tried to experiment with smaller tanks, >> which while they require weight to compensate for their buoyancy are >> still less of a burden that the 104's. The fact is double 80s in a dry >> suit can be made to work quite easily and the result is a smaller >> cleaner rig that handles better overall, whether scootering or swimming. >> 160 cu ft of gas is sufficient for a single dive and you can get two >> sets of 80s for the price of one of 104's. a v weight can easly be used >> in place of a weight belt for those who would rathernot be bothered, >> although this does preclude the ditching of wt, like say if you need to >> flaot on the surface for a while waiting for the coasties. but even with >> a v wt the 80s arent going to be as heavy as empty 104s. JIm i didnt >> make this up, i got it all from George, who you folks seem to listen to >> very selectively. >> >> im not going to strain thu your last 100 posts about 80s, because >> frankly, who gives a fuck. what i would like is some admission on your >> part that you dont know enuff about double 80s to make the claim that >> 104s are better. >> >> marv >> >> Jim Cobb wrote: >> >>> Marv- >>> >>> First off I am not a cave diver. Second, you did not seem to get my point >>> that for wreck diving I consider your air supply to be a tad bit more >>> important than scooter battery life. In wreck diving you are given the >>> opportunity to change batteries which you don't have in a cave. You are >>> comparing apples to oranges. >>> >>> Thirdly I believe in diving the same rig on every dive regardless of the >>> depth. I don't see the point in wearing different tanks suit the >> >> particular >> >>> depths. This is BS. >>> >>> Also I don't understand what your harping about AL80's all about. If you >>> dive with a wetsuit 80's are fine. If you dive with a drysuit the >> > negative > >>> aspects of steel doubles help your buoyancy. The steel 104's happen to be >>> ideal for this purpose. >>> >>> I would like you to please repost where I said that double 80's were >>> inferior to steel 104 because they don't carry enough gas. What I may >> > have > >>> said is that having more gas than you need for a specific dive is not a >>> detriment to the dive. >>> >>> So please take your weird, ill thought out, disjointed, nonsenceical, out >> >> of >> >>> context post here and go back to your treadmill, which happens to go the >>> same destination as your argument. Nowhere. >>> >>> Jim >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ >>> >>>> From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*> >>>> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:11:07 -0400 >>>> To: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> >>>> Cc: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>, >>> > "Michael > >> J. >> >>>> Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >>>> >>>> JIm's thing< and its not just Jim, there is a small group now> is that >>>> the only tanks for drysuit is the double 104's. this is despite >>>> commentary from George himself that for ocean, you dont need all that >>>> gas even in a drysuit and that double 80s should be enuff for most of >>>> what one might attempt.< "for ocean the aluminum 80 is the tank of >>>> choice"> The rationale seems to be taught by most of your tek agencies >>>> that you can never have enuff gas because "you never know what is going >>>> to happen" and people find this more comforting to embrace than the fact >>>> that they need to exercise aerobically for diving. >>>> >>>> Personally i would suggest that you plan your dive and dive your plan, >>>> altering the plan only in the direction of being conservative during a >>>> dive. < i.e. less bottom time>. I would also suggest that if your going >>>> to carry a major reserve of one dive parameter<gas> you should have >>>> equvalent supply of any other<scooter/light burn>. >>>> >>>> Finally i would suggest that anyone who cant understand why huge tanks >>>> and a tiny scooter might not be a good idea should reread the last >>>> paragraph of Gavin's chapter and look in the mirror. >>>> >>>> marv >>>> >>>> ps i wear dbl 80s, drive a mako and set the treadmill on speed 8 at >>>> least once a day. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> terry michael wrote: >>>> >>>>> Are we talking about diving thirds here or what? This is a public list >>>> >> please >> >>>>> explain what you are trying to tell us. >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: "marv"<ajmarve@op*.ne*> >>>>> To: "Jim Cobb"<cobber@ci*.co*> >>>>> Cc: "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>, "Michael >>>> >> J. >> >>>>> Blitch"<mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>>> Date: Mon Aug 27 10:37:44 PDT 2001 >>>>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >>>>> >>>>>> so what are you saying Jim, that you dont plan your dives or dont have >>>>>> the discipline to follow that plan ? >>>>>> >>>>>> you are on the right track with respect to less is best, you just need >>>>>> to take it all the way. >>>>>> >>>>>> marv >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim Cobb wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gas=Life. Is that real enough for you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*> >>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:11:57 -0400 >>>>>>>> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> >>>>>>>> Cc: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>, terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*>, "Michael >>>>>>> >> J. >> >>>>>>>> Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and yet you doggedly defend the concept of carrying three times as >>>>>>> >> much >> >>>>>>>> gas as needed for a given dive< see any old dbl 80 vs 104 thread.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marv >>>>>>>> <keepin' it real, yo> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim Cobb wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would still like something smaller, don't see the point in >>>>>>>> >> carrying 2 >> >>>>>>>>> hours worth of burn time on a dive were your actual scooting time >>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>> 20 minutes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >>>>>> >> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> >>>>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >>>>>> >> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >>>>> ___________________________________________________ >>>>> GO.com Mail >>>>> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >> > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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