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Amen to that...
Paul Berry
Southern Ocean Explorers
DIR-N.Z.
-----Original Message-----
From: Manos Manoli [mailto:cytech@ma*.co*.cy*]
Sent: Friday, 31 August 2001 12:20 a.m.
To: deepdive
Cc: TECHDIVER
Subject: Re: FW: FW: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor
I hate weight belts , i hate alu80 on my back , i hate wetsuits ,
i love steel tanks , i love drysuits , i love alu80 under my left arm.
Manos
deepdive wrote:
Sounds reasonable to me...Is your weighting for neutral buoyancy at 3m with
minimum psi in tanks,minus the cannister light/stages etc?Still
curious...-----Original Message-----From: marv
[mailto:ajmarve@op*.ne*]Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2001 2:43 p.m.To:
deepdiveCc: TECHDIVERSubject: Re: FW: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor12 lbs belt,
6 lb plate, pro 6 canister w/ tls350 and c4. hiland bandsw/ sea elite
manifold. luxfer standard 80.marvdeepdive wrote:
Hey marv, Have you been raiding the scrap dealers for lead or what?
As that's one helluva V-weight you're talking about...let aloneslung on a
weight belt. How much weight do you have to carry with your twin 80's
in
drysuit
and ocean diving? Just curious...Paul BerrySouthern Ocean
ExplorersDIR-N.Z.-----Original Message-----From: marv
[mailto:ajmarve@op*.ne*]Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2001 3:51 p.m.To:
Jim CobbCc: terry michael; MHK; Michael J. Blitch;
techdiver@aquanaut.comSubject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs DacorJIm,I guess the
difference lies in thinking about what one is doing. youseem content to
ignore any variables in your dive and stumble blindlyalong hoping that you
will have brought enuff of whatever.i could be wrong but this seems to be
the antithesis of everything theseflorida guys preach.the plain fact is i am
worried about your approach and its consequences.your recent post about
brass fever was disconce
rting to say the least.you may think i am just busting your ass for the
sport of it, butfrankly i am trying to help you see that there is a reason
to considereach dive as a seperate exposure and to choose equipment
accordinglywith the dir principles in mind, instead of insisting on a one
size fitsall approach.I suspect that you have not even tried to experiment
with smaller tanks,which while they require weight to compensate for their
buoyancy arestill less of a burden that the 104's. The fact is double 80s in
a drysuit can be made to work quite easily and the result is a
smallercleaner rig that handles better overall, whether scootering or
swimming.160 cu ft of gas is sufficient for a single dive and you can get
twosets of 80s for the price of one of 104's. a v weight can easly be
usedin place of a weight belt for those who would rathernot be
bothered,although this does preclude the ditching of wt, like say if you
need toflaot on the surface for a while waiting for the coasties. but even
witha v wt the 80s arent going to be as heavy as empty 104s. JIm i didntmake
this up, i got it all from George, who you folks seem to listen tovery
selectively.im not going to strain thu your last 100 posts about 80s,
becausefrankly, who gives a fuck. what i would like is some admission on
yourpart that you dont know enuff about double 80s to make the claim
that104s are better.marvJim Cobb wrote:
Marv-First off I am not a cave diver. Second, you did not seem to get my
pointthat for wreck diving I consider your air supply to be a tad bit
moreimportant than scooter battery life. In wreck diving you are given
theopportunity to change batteries which you don't have in a cave. You
arecomparing apples to oranges.Thirdly I believe in diving the same rig on
every dive regardless of thedepth. I don't see the point in wearing
different tanks suit the
particular
depths. This is BS.Also I don't understand what your harping about AL80's
all about. If youdive with a wetsuit 80's are fine. If you dive with a
drysuit the
negative
aspects of steel doubles help your buoyancy. The steel 104's happen to
beideal for this purpose.I would like you to please repost where I said that
double 80's wereinferior to steel 104 because they don't carry enough gas.
What I may
have
said is that having more gas than you need for a specific dive is not
adetriment to the dive.So please take your weird, ill thought out,
disjointed, nonsenceical, out
of
context post here and go back to your treadmill, which happens to go thesame
destination as your argument. Nowhere.
Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:11:07 -0400To:
terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*>Cc: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, MHK
<mhkane@pr*.ne*>,
"Michael
J.
Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.comSubject: Re:
Silent Submersion Vs DacorJIm's thing< and its not just Jim, there is a
small group now> is thatthe only tanks for drysuit is the double 104's. this
is despitecommentary from George himself that for ocean, you dont need all
thatgas even in a drysuit and that double 80s should be enuff for most
ofwhat one might attempt.< "for ocean the aluminum 80 is the tank ofchoice">
The rationale seems to be taught by most of your tek agenciesthat you can
never have enuff gas because "you never know what is goingto happen" and
people find this more comforting to embrace than the factthat they need to
exercise aerobically for diving.Personally i would suggest
that you plan your dive and dive your plan,altering the plan only in the
direction of being conservative during adive. < i.e. less bottom time>. I
would also suggest that if your goingto carry a major reserve of one dive
parameter<gas> you should haveequvalent supply of any other<scooter/light
burn>.Finally i would suggest that anyone who cant understand why huge
tanksand a tiny scooter might not be a good idea should reread the
lastparagraph of Gavin's chapter and look in the mirror.marvps i wear dbl
80s, drive a mako and set the treadmill on speed 8 atleast once a day.terry
michael wrote:
Are we talking about diving thirds here or what? This is a public list
please
explain what you are trying to tell us.
-----Original Message-----From: "marv"<ajmarve@op*.ne*>To: "Jim
Cobb"<cobber@ci*.co*>Cc: "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "terry
michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>, "Michael
J.
Blitch"<mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.comDate: Mon Aug 27
10:37:44 PDT 2001Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor
so what are you saying Jim, that you dont plan your dives or dont havethe
discipline to follow that plan ?you are on the right track with respect to
less is best, you just needto take it all the way.marvJim Cobb wrote:
Gas=Life. Is that real enough for
you?Jim-------------------------------------------------------------------Le
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From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:11:57 -0400To:
Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>Cc: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>, terry michael
<OEA51@go*.co*>, "Michael
J.
Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.comSubject: Re:
Silent Submersion Vs Dacorand yet you doggedly defend the concept of
carrying three times as
much
gas as needed for a given dive< see any old dbl 80 vs 104
thread.>Marv<keepin' it real, yo>Jim Cobb wrote:
I would still like something smaller, don't see the point in
carrying 2
hours worth of burn time on a dive were your actual scooting time
is
around20 minutes.
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D4>Paul Berry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D4>Southern Ocean =
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size=3D4>DIR-N.Z.</FONT></DIV></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Manos Manoli=20
[mailto:cytech@ma*.co*.cy*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 31 August 2001 =
12:20=20
a.m.<BR><B>To:</B> deepdive<BR><B>Cc:</B>
TECHDIVER<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re: FW:=20
FW: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>I hate weight
belts , =
i hate=20
alu80 on my back , i hate wetsuits ,<BR>i love steel tanks , i love =
drysuits , i=20
love alu80 under my left arm.<BR><BR>Manos<BR><BR>deepdive
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE =
cite=3D"mid:HPECLFCBIFLONKEEDMKIMEFICCAA.deepdive@xt*.co*.nz*"=20
type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Sounds reasonable to me...<BR><BR>Is your
=
weighting for neutral buoyancy at 3m with minimum psi in tanks,<BR>minus =
the cannister light/stages etc?<BR><BR>Still =
curious...<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: marv
[<A =
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"mailto:ajmarve@op*.ne*">mailto:ajmarve@optonline.net</A>]<B=
R>Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2001 2:43 p.m.<BR>To: deepdive<BR>Cc: =
TECHDIVER<BR>Subject: Re: FW: Silent Submersion Vs
Dacor<BR><BR><BR>12 =
lbs belt, 6 lb plate, pro 6 canister w/ tls350 and c4. hiland =
bands<BR>w/ sea elite manifold. luxfer standard =
80.<BR><BR>marv<BR><BR>deepdive wrote:<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Hey marv,<BR> Have
you =
been raiding the scrap dealers for lead or what?<BR> As that's =
one helluva V-weight you're talking about...let alone<BR>slung on a =
weight belt.<BR> How much weight do you have to carry with your =
twin 80's in<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->drysuit<BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">and ocean diving?<BR>
=
Just curious...<BR><BR>Paul Berry<BR>Southern Ocean =
Explorers<BR>DIR-N.Z.<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: =
marv [<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"mailto:ajmarve@op*.ne*">mailto:ajmarve@optonline.net</A>]<B=
R>Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2001 3:51 p.m.<BR>To: Jim Cobb<BR>Cc: terry =
michael; MHK; Michael J. Blitch; <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A><BR>Subj=
ect: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor<BR><BR><BR>JIm,<BR><BR>I
guess the =
difference lies in thinking about what one is doing. you<BR>seem content =
to ignore any variables in your dive and stumble blindly<BR>along hoping =
that you will have brought enuff of whatever.<BR><BR>i could be wrong =
but this seems to be the antithesis of everything these<BR>florida guys =
preach.<BR><BR>the plain fact is i am worried about your approach and =
its consequences.<BR>your recent post about brass fever was disconce
rting to say the least.<BR>you may think i am just busting your ass for =
the sport of it, but<BR>frankly i am trying to help you see that there =
is a reason to consider<BR>each dive as a seperate exposure and to =
choose equipment accordingly<BR>with the dir principles in mind, instead =
of insisting on a one size fits<BR>all approach.<BR><BR>I suspect that
=
you have not even tried to experiment with smaller tanks,<BR>which while =
they require weight to compensate for their buoyancy are<BR>still less =
of a burden that the 104's. The fact is double 80s in a dry<BR>suit can =
be made to work quite easily and the result is a smaller<BR>cleaner rig =
that handles better overall, whether scootering or swimming.<BR>160 cu =
ft of gas is sufficient for a single dive and you can get two<BR>sets of =
80s for the price of one of 104's. a v weight can easly be used<BR>in =
place of a weight belt for those who would rathernot be =
bothered,<BR>although this does preclude the ditching of wt, like say if =
you=20
need to<BR>flaot on the surface for a while waiting for the coasties. =
but even with<BR>a v wt the 80s arent going to be as heavy as empty =
104s. JIm i didnt<BR>make this up, i got it all from George, who you =
folks seem to listen to<BR>very selectively.<BR><BR>im not going to =
strain thu your last 100 posts about 80s, because<BR>frankly, who gives =
a fuck. what i would like is some admission on your<BR>part that you =
dont know enuff about double 80s to make the claim that<BR>104s are =
better.<BR><BR>marv<BR><BR>Jim Cobb wrote:<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Marv-<BR><BR>First off
I am =
not a cave diver. Second, you did not seem to get my point<BR>that for =
wreck diving I consider your air supply to be a tad bit =
more<BR>important than scooter battery life. In wreck diving you are =
given the<BR>opportunity to change batteries which you don't have in a =
cave. You are<BR>comparing apples to oranges.<BR><BR>Thirdly I believe
=
in diving the same rig on every dive regardless of the<BR>depth. I don't =
see the point in wearing different tanks suit =
the<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE
wrap=3D"">particular<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">depths. This is =
BS.<BR><BR>Also I don't understand what your harping about AL80's all =
about. If you<BR>dive with a wetsuit 80's are fine. If you dive with a =
drysuit the<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->negative<BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">aspects of steel doubles =
help your buoyancy. The steel 104's happen to be<BR>ideal for this =
purpose.<BR><BR>I would like you to please repost where I said that =
double 80's were<BR>inferior to steel 104 because they don't carry =
enough gas. What I may<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->have<BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">said is that having more =
gas than you need for a specific dive is not a<BR>detriment to the =
dive.<BR><BR>So please take your weird, ill thought out, disjointed, =
nonsenceical, out<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE
wrap=3D"">of<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">context post here and go =
back to your treadmill, which happens to go the<BR>same destination as =
your argument. Nowhere.<BR><BR> Jim<BR> =
-------------------------------------------------------------------<BR> =
Learn About Trimix at <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/">http://www.cisatlantic.com/tr=
imix/</A><BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">From: marv <A =
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:ajmarve@op*.ne*"><ajmarve@optonline.net></A><B=
R>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:11:07 -0400<BR>To: terry michael <A =
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:OEA51@go*.co*"><OEA51@go.com></A><BR>Cc: Jim Cobb
<A =
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:cobber@ci*.co*"><cobber@cisatlantic.com></A>=
, MHK <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*"><mhkane@prodigy.net></A>,<BR></P=
RE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->"Michael<BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">J.<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Blitch" <A =
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*"><mblitch1@tampabay.rr.com>=
</A>, <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A><BR>Subj=
ect: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor<BR><BR>JIm's thing< and its not =
just Jim, there is a small group now> is that<BR>the only tanks for =
drysuit is the double 104's. this is despite<BR>commentary from George =
himself that for ocean, you dont need all that<BR>gas even in a drysuit =
and that double 80s should be enuff for most of<BR>what one might =
attempt.< "for ocean the aluminum 80 is the tank of<BR>choice"> =
The rationale seems to be taught by most of your tek agencies<BR>that =
you can never have enuff gas because "you never know what is going<BR>to =
happen" and people find this more comforting to embrace than the =
fact<BR>that they need to exercise aerobically for =
diving.<BR><BR>Personally i would suggest
that you plan your dive and dive your plan,<BR>altering the plan only =
in the direction of being conservative during a<BR>dive. < i.e. less =
bottom time>. I would also suggest that if your going<BR>to carry a =
major reserve of one dive parameter<gas> you should =
have<BR>equvalent supply of any other<scooter/light =
burn>.<BR><BR>Finally i would suggest that anyone who cant understand =
why huge tanks<BR>and a tiny scooter might not be a good idea should =
reread the last<BR>paragraph of Gavin's chapter and look in the =
mirror.<BR><BR>marv<BR><BR>ps i wear dbl 80s, drive a mako and set
the =
treadmill on speed 8 at<BR>least once a
day.<BR><BR><BR><BR>terry =
michael wrote:<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Are we talking about =
diving thirds here or what? This is a public =
list<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D"">please<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">explain what you are =
trying to tell us.<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">-----Original =
Message-----<BR>From: "marv"<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:ajmarve@op*.ne*"><ajmarve@optonline.net></A><B=
R>To: "Jim Cobb"<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:cobber@ci*.co*"><cobber@cisatlantic.com></A>=
<BR>Cc: "MHK"<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*"><mhkane@prodigy.net></A>, =
"terry michael"<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:OEA51@go*.co*"><OEA51@go.com></A>, =
"Michael<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE
=
wrap=3D"">J.<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Blitch"<A =
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*"><mblitch1@tampabay.rr.com>=
</A>, <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A><BR>Date=
: Mon Aug 27 10:37:44 PDT 2001<BR>Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs =
Dacor<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">so what are you =
saying Jim, that you dont plan your dives or dont have<BR>the discipline =
to follow that plan ?<BR><BR>you are on the right track with respect to =
less is best, you just need<BR>to take it all the =
way.<BR><BR>marv<BR><BR>Jim Cobb wrote:<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Gas=3DLife. Is that =
real enough for =
you?<BR><BR>Jim<BR>----------------------------------------------------
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-------------<BR>Learn About Trimix at <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
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imix/</A><BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">From: marv <A =
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:ajmarve@op*.ne*"><ajmarve@optonline.net></A><B=
R>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:11:57 -0400<BR>To: Jim Cobb <A =
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:cobber@ci*.co*"><cobber@cisatlantic.com></A>=
<BR>Cc: MHK <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*"><mhkane@prodigy.net></A>, terry =
michael <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:OEA51@go*.co*"><OEA51@go.com></A>, =
"Michael<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO
CKQUOTE></B=
LOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">J.<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Blitch" <A =
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*"><mblitch1@tampabay.rr.com>=
</A>, <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A><BR>Subj=
ect: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor<BR><BR>and yet you doggedly defend =
the concept of carrying three times =
as<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOT
E></BLOCKQU=
OTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">much<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">gas as needed for =
a given dive< see any old dbl 80 vs 104 =
thread.><BR><BR>Marv<BR><keepin' it real,
yo><BR><BR>Jim Cobb =
wrote:<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">I would still =
like something smaller, don't see the point =
in<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOT
E></BLOCKQU=
OTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">carrying
2<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">hours worth of =
burn time on a dive were your actual scooting =
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