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Sounds reasonable to me... Is your weighting for neutral buoyancy at 3m with minimum psi in tanks, minus the cannister light/stages etc? Still curious... -----Original Message----- From: marv [mailto:ajmarve@op*.ne*] Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2001 2:43 p.m. To: deepdive Cc: TECHDIVER Subject: Re: FW: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor 12 lbs belt, 6 lb plate, pro 6 canister w/ tls350 and c4. hiland bands w/ sea elite manifold. luxfer standard 80. marv deepdive wrote: > Hey marv, > Have you been raiding the scrap dealers for lead or what? > As that's one helluva V-weight you're talking about...let alone > slung on a weight belt. > How much weight do you have to carry with your twin 80's in drysuit > and ocean diving? > Just curious... > > Paul Berry > Southern Ocean Explorers > DIR-N.Z. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: marv [mailto:ajmarve@op*.ne*] > Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2001 3:51 p.m. > To: Jim Cobb > Cc: terry michael; MHK; Michael J. Blitch; techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor > > > JIm, > > I guess the difference lies in thinking about what one is doing. you > seem content to ignore any variables in your dive and stumble blindly > along hoping that you will have brought enuff of whatever. > > i could be wrong but this seems to be the antithesis of everything these > florida guys preach. > > the plain fact is i am worried about your approach and its consequences. > your recent post about brass fever was disconcerting to say the least. > you may think i am just busting your ass for the sport of it, but > frankly i am trying to help you see that there is a reason to consider > each dive as a seperate exposure and to choose equipment accordingly > with the dir principles in mind, instead of insisting on a one size fits > all approach. > > I suspect that you have not even tried to experiment with smaller tanks, > which while they require weight to compensate for their buoyancy are > still less of a burden that the 104's. The fact is double 80s in a dry > suit can be made to work quite easily and the result is a smaller > cleaner rig that handles better overall, whether scootering or swimming. > 160 cu ft of gas is sufficient for a single dive and you can get two > sets of 80s for the price of one of 104's. a v weight can easly be used > in place of a weight belt for those who would rathernot be bothered, > although this does preclude the ditching of wt, like say if you need to > flaot on the surface for a while waiting for the coasties. but even with > a v wt the 80s arent going to be as heavy as empty 104s. JIm i didnt > make this up, i got it all from George, who you folks seem to listen to > very selectively. > > im not going to strain thu your last 100 posts about 80s, because > frankly, who gives a fuck. what i would like is some admission on your > part that you dont know enuff about double 80s to make the claim that > 104s are better. > > marv > > Jim Cobb wrote: > >> Marv- >> >> First off I am not a cave diver. Second, you did not seem to get my point >> that for wreck diving I consider your air supply to be a tad bit more >> important than scooter battery life. In wreck diving you are given the >> opportunity to change batteries which you don't have in a cave. You are >> comparing apples to oranges. >> >> Thirdly I believe in diving the same rig on every dive regardless of the >> depth. I don't see the point in wearing different tanks suit the > > particular > >> depths. This is BS. >> >> Also I don't understand what your harping about AL80's all about. If you >> dive with a wetsuit 80's are fine. If you dive with a drysuit the negative >> aspects of steel doubles help your buoyancy. The steel 104's happen to be >> ideal for this purpose. >> >> I would like you to please repost where I said that double 80's were >> inferior to steel 104 because they don't carry enough gas. What I may have >> said is that having more gas than you need for a specific dive is not a >> detriment to the dive. >> >> So please take your weird, ill thought out, disjointed, nonsenceical, out > > of > >> context post here and go back to your treadmill, which happens to go the >> same destination as your argument. Nowhere. >> >> Jim >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ >> >>> From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*> >>> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:11:07 -0400 >>> To: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> >>> Cc: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "Michael >> > J. > >>> Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com >>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >>> >>> JIm's thing< and its not just Jim, there is a small group now> is that >>> the only tanks for drysuit is the double 104's. this is despite >>> commentary from George himself that for ocean, you dont need all that >>> gas even in a drysuit and that double 80s should be enuff for most of >>> what one might attempt.< "for ocean the aluminum 80 is the tank of >>> choice"> The rationale seems to be taught by most of your tek agencies >>> that you can never have enuff gas because "you never know what is going >>> to happen" and people find this more comforting to embrace than the fact >>> that they need to exercise aerobically for diving. >>> >>> Personally i would suggest that you plan your dive and dive your plan, >>> altering the plan only in the direction of being conservative during a >>> dive. < i.e. less bottom time>. I would also suggest that if your going >>> to carry a major reserve of one dive parameter<gas> you should have >>> equvalent supply of any other<scooter/light burn>. >>> >>> Finally i would suggest that anyone who cant understand why huge tanks >>> and a tiny scooter might not be a good idea should reread the last >>> paragraph of Gavin's chapter and look in the mirror. >>> >>> marv >>> >>> ps i wear dbl 80s, drive a mako and set the treadmill on speed 8 at >>> least once a day. >>> >>> >>> >>> terry michael wrote: >>> >>>> Are we talking about diving thirds here or what? This is a public list >>> > please > >>>> explain what you are trying to tell us. >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "marv"<ajmarve@op*.ne*> >>>> To: "Jim Cobb"<cobber@ci*.co*> >>>> Cc: "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>, "Michael >>> > J. > >>>> Blitch"<mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>> Date: Mon Aug 27 10:37:44 PDT 2001 >>>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >>>> >>>>> so what are you saying Jim, that you dont plan your dives or dont have >>>>> the discipline to follow that plan ? >>>>> >>>>> you are on the right track with respect to less is best, you just need >>>>> to take it all the way. >>>>> >>>>> marv >>>>> >>>>> Jim Cobb wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Gas=Life. Is that real enough for you? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:11:57 -0400 >>>>>>> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> >>>>>>> Cc: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>, terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*>, "Michael >>>>>> > J. > >>>>>>> Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and yet you doggedly defend the concept of carrying three times as >>>>>> > much > >>>>>>> gas as needed for a given dive< see any old dbl 80 vs 104 thread.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marv >>>>>>> <keepin' it real, yo> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim Cobb wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would still like something smaller, don't see the point in >>>>>>> > carrying 2 > >>>>>>>> hours worth of burn time on a dive were your actual scooting time is >>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>> 20 minutes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >>>>> > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >>>>> > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >>>> ___________________________________________________ >>>> GO.com Mail >>>> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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