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From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: "Paul M. Deniston" <pdeniston@me*.ne*>,
     "Rocky" ,
     "Steve Schultz" ,
     "terry michael"
Cc: "marv" <ajmarve@op*.ne*>, "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>,
    
Subject: RE: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:04:30 -0400

Not possible. You are thinking of IANTD.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul M. Deniston [mailto:pdeniston@me*.ne*]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:37 AM
To: Rocky; Steve Schultz; terry michael
Cc: marv; Jim Cobb; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor


I believe if you look at the required equipment for tech I section of the
GUE web page, they specify 95's or larger.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky" <rocdiver@be*.ne*>
To: "Steve Schultz" <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*>; "terry michael"
<OEA51@go*.co*>
Cc: "marv" <ajmarve@op*.ne*>; "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>;
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor


> Who told you GUE Tech 1 requires twin 95s?  If diving wet, as most do for
> Tech 1, twin 80s are the norm . . .
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Schultz" <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*>
> To: "terry michael" <OEA51@go*.co*>
> Cc: "marv" <ajmarve@op*.ne*>; "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>;
> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor
>
>
> >
> > I own double 80's and double 104's.  The 80's are feather light, and the
> 104's aren't bad, but I'm in the gym every day.
> >
> > I dive cold water and need a ton of lead with my 80's.  I wear no lead
> with my 104's (and alum backplate)
> >
> > I feel like I have better trim with my 104's than my 80's.  It's
probably
> in my head.  The 104's feel better on my back (subjective I know).  It's
> easier for gas matching since my buddies also dive 104's (you dive thirds,
> don't you?)
> >
> > It's also a matter of convienience.  I fill my 104's to 3000.  Last
> weekend I did 2 light deco dives in 110'.  I got off the boat and did a
> shore dive with a new diver.  He emptied his 80, and I still had gas in my
> tanks for another shore dive.  I couldn't have done this with 80's.
> >
> > For anyone who is considering buying 80's or 104's, I leave you with
this
> thought.  They both have good and bad characteristics, but if you are
> planning on GUE training, TECH 1 requires at least twin 95's which makes
> your twin 80's useless for the course (except as stages) ;-)
> >
> > ss
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, terry michael wrote:
> >
> > > Again, I'm losing you here. Could you elaborate on this dive planning
> stuff and exactly how it works. thanks
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "marv"<ajmarve@op*.ne*>
> > > To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>
> > > Cc: "Jim Cobb"<cobber@ci*.co*>, "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>,
> "Michael J. Blitch"<mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > Date: Mon Aug 27 23:11:07 PDT 2001
> > > Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor
> > >
> > > >JIm's thing< and its not just Jim, there is a small group now> is
that
> > > >the only tanks for drysuit is the double 104's. this is despite
> > > >commentary from George himself that for ocean, you dont need all that
> > > >gas even in a drysuit and that double 80s should be enuff for most of
> > > >what one might attempt.< "for ocean the aluminum 80 is the tank of
> > > >choice">  The rationale seems to be  taught by most of your tek
> agencies
> > > >that you can never have enuff gas because "you never know what is
going
> > > >to happen" and people find this more comforting to embrace than the
> fact
> > > >that they need to exercise aerobically for diving.
> > > >
> > > >Personally i would suggest that you plan your dive and dive your
plan,
> > > >altering the plan only in the direction of being conservative during
a
> > > >dive. < i.e. less bottom time>. I would also suggest that if your
going
> > > >to carry a major reserve of one dive parameter<gas> you should have
> > > >equvalent supply of any other<scooter/light burn>.
> > > >
> > > >Finally i would suggest that anyone who cant understand why huge
tanks
> > > >and a tiny scooter might not be a good idea should reread the last
> > > >paragraph of Gavin's chapter and look in the mirror.
> > > >
> > > >marv
> > > >
> > > >ps i wear dbl 80s, drive a mako and set the treadmill on speed 8 at
> > > >least once a day.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >terry michael wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Are we talking about diving thirds here or what? This is a public
> list please explain what you are trying to tell us.
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: "marv"<ajmarve@op*.ne*>
> > > >> To: "Jim Cobb"<cobber@ci*.co*>
> > > >> Cc: "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>,
> "Michael J. Blitch"<mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > >> Date: Mon Aug 27 10:37:44 PDT 2001
> > > >> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor
> > > >>
> > > >>> so what are you saying Jim, that you dont plan your dives or dont
> have
> > > >>> the discipline to follow that plan ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> you are on the right track with respect to less is best, you just
> need
> > > >>> to take it all the way.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> marv
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Jim Cobb wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Gas=Life. Is that real enough for you?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>    Jim
> > >
> >>>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*>
> > > >>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:11:57 -0400
> > > >>>>> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
> > > >>>>> Cc: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>, terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*>,
> "Michael J.
> > > >>>>> Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> and yet you doggedly defend the concept of carrying three times
as
> much
> > > >>>>> gas as needed for a given dive< see any old dbl 80 vs 104
thread.>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Marv
> > > >>>>> <keepin' it real, yo>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Jim Cobb wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I would still like something smaller, don't see the point in
> carrying 2
> > > >>>>>> hours worth of burn time on a dive were your actual scooting
time
> is around
> > > >>>>>> 20 minutes.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>
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