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>everybody purchased mine used for about 1K and later sold it for the same. I >liked the Dacor but its a poor mans scooter . Sort of like a Escort sport >vs. a 'Vette. There is a big difference but you only appreciate it once you >have used it for a while. And we tend to believe in what we have until you >try something better. I agree the Mako is the production scooter of choice. (the canister scooters are not production in my opinion) Anyway, I can really appreciate a production scooter that is factory set-up as a tow behind. The Decor was designed as a ride on top to hold onto with your hands only and no towline. Can you imagine? They are reliable however and can be set-up better by simply using a soldering gun, 1 meter cave line and a bolt snap...:-) -----Original Message----- From: "Bryon Bertrim"<bryon@be*.co*> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com Date: Tue Aug 21 07:29:46 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >The point here is not Gavin design Vs Dacor but to truly understand when one >unit is better suited for the type of diving to done. I purchased the SS >unit to dive deep wrecks in big current. The Gavin design is extremely well >suited for this purpose. It absolutely puts the diver in the most steam >lined position possible. A wreck being like a cave requires you to maneuver >in very tight areas. This design allows the diver to ride with in an inch >of the bottom and still pick up bottles or tanks etc..Maintaining this >position is just as important in 30 Ft as 500. > >As for the single handle its a dream to use once you get used to riding a >true tow behind. Even most Gavin owners drive with one hand in the 12 >O'clock position the motorcycle style handle is beefier and finishes the >concept of controlling the unit in the 12 o'clock position. Slight >movements with your arm can make a large changes in direction. These types >of Scooters are used in the Ocean and wreck diving everyday. I believe if >you truly got a chance to try one for 3-4 dives you would see the light. The >shortest unit is only slightly larger than the Apollo. But the tow behind >aspect of both breaking the water ahead of you while keeping the diver >horizontal is inherent in this design. And for always having the unit >available. What's better having your scooter fall down between your legs >when you stop running or having it sit perfectly balanced just ahead of you >ready for you to reach over and crank on the gas. A stock Mako will smoke an >Apollo and rewinding the Mako adds about 25% more smoke. > >You are correct about the Apollo price, the list of the Apollo is 2K. I like >everybody purchased mine used for about 1K and later sold it for the same. I >liked the Dacor but its a poor mans scooter . Sort of like a Escort sport >vs. a 'Vette. There is a big difference but you only appreciate it once you >have used it for a while. And we tend to believe in what we have until you >try something better. Jim i have a email from you 2.5 yrs ago when you said >that Neo dry suits were the best now you dive with a DUI 450. There is a >little story i read to my kids called Green Eggs & Ham........Many of us >resisted DIR and WKPP experiences venomously believing it only applied to >Cave diving in Florida but once we try each aspect we realize its broad >application and completness. And in this case the Gavin design is on the top >of the list. I have never had a new piece of gear stand out this much since >Helium. > >And JT, Rodney or Trey should be interested in giving you a Scooter for >your deep dive but I'm sure they would want payment in full prior to the >great event. > >Good Luck >BB > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> >To: "Bryon Bertrim" <bryon@be*.co*>; "Wendell Grogan" <wgrogan@dc*.ne*> >Cc: "Techdiver Mailing List" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:01 PM >Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor > > >> I guess you don't know as much as you say, its funny how on this list you >> can post one thing and those that lurk come out, the guy who built the one >> I used knew whose I used and why it was so dam slow. I let Tom (a >> friend)use the SS and I dusted his ass with my Apollo at 220ft on the >Doria >> and had to keep stopping so he could keep up... They now tell me that they >> are correcting the motors in the SS, but they still will have a problem >> with that type of trigger motorcycle handle on the SS. The one I used is >> only good for depth nothing more, he is willing to come dive with us and >> let us test the new ones, so I may change my mind, but the one I saw/used >> was a piece of shit, except for the depth rating and should be replaced at >> no cost.... Would I use it on one of my deep dives, sure the Apollo/Dacors >> won't cut it past 250ft, the SS has been to a max depth of 360ft, I have >> made 6 dives PAST that depth and 3 more planned for Oct. one will be past >> 500ft, you think that scooter is tough let me use one on that dive, I'll >> test it and let you know..... >> >> BTW if you paid 2K for an Apollo someone saw you coming..... >> >> >> >> At 11:12 AM 8/20/01 -0400, Bryon Bertrim wrote: >> >JT and boys >> >I believe your your opinion is way off base, the Silent Submersion units >are >> >only comparable to a Gavin and Zepp performance wise, like the Gavin they >> >both utilize a beefed up Oceanic Mako motor running at 24 volts my guess >> >around 1300 RPM they are depth rated to 500 ft/ beyond and durable as >hell. >> >The Dacor/Apollo is a light duty inexpensive toy by comparison, yes you >may >> >mod the triggers and beef up the outer shell to handle a bit more depth >but >> >that is it. The Dacor runs a single 12 volt 24 Amp hr battery and run at >500 >> >RPM the smallest SS unit uses 2 x18 amp hrs batteries and the mid range >uses >> >2 x26 Amp/hr. So you can say that the SS unit is heaver and more >expensive >> >but the towing power of an SS is over 3 X more than any Dacor. You have >to >> >worry about the Dacors just making it to the dive site the case is so >thin. >> >DIR means just that buy the right equipment for the job and the SS unit >is >> >an expedition class scooter. I use the SS's addition power maneuvering in >> >moderate to heavy current much like cave flow its bull nose breaks the >water >> >around the diver and equipment allowing you to handle more flow with less >> >stress. In a more recent comparison an SS unit to Dacor i had to de-pitch >> >the SS's prop to 4 out of 9 to allow the Dacor to barely keep up in a no >> >current shootout and i had more gear. Having owned both there is no >> >comparison and recommend that if you are into any level of technical >diving >> >and can afford it buy a real scooter.. A new Apollo will run you 2K where >> >for 1.5K more you get 3 X the scooter. All this said, I do agree almost >any >> >scooter is better than no scooter at all. >> > >> >BB >> > >> >FYI Dacor and the Apollo av1 are on in the same. Dacor OEMs them from >> >Apollo. >> >http://www.apollosportsusa.com/products-av1.html >> >www.silent-submersion.com >> > >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Wendell Grogan" <wgrogan@dc*.ne*> >> >To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> >> >Cc: "Techdiver Mailing List" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >> >Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 8:39 PM >> >Subject: Re: MOD for the new Mako was Re: Purpose of the List >> > >> > >> > > OK, good to know. But let me ask, easier? In what way? Cheaper and >> > > faster are more obvious. >> > > Wendell >> > > >> > > Capt JT wrote: >> > > > >> > > > I have used the Silent Submersion, if you only dive past 225ft all >the >> >time >> > > > then that is what its good for. It has little use or comparison to >the >> > > > Apollo/Dacor scooter, they are faster, easier, and cheaper..... >better >> >in >> > > > my book.... >> > > > >> > > > At 12:27 AM 8/19/01 +0200, wendell grogan wrote: >> > > > >If anyone is interested, Rodney Nairne's scooters have >> > > > >been a good 50 meters deeper without any problems. He >> > > > >sells them as Silent Submersion. >> > > > >Wendell >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >--- Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*> schrieb: > Huh, >> > > > >actually, 55m is essentially the same depth >> > > > > > rating as a standard Mako: >> > > > > > 180 feet MOD. I did take one down to that depth the >> > > > > > other day, but >> > > > > > considering how often they leak on just mild dives, >> > > > > > despite major babying of >> > > > > > the o-rings, I wouldn't trust one for anything >> > > > > > serious. Likely you will end >> > > > > > up swimming it back, full of water. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Cam >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> >> > > > > > > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT) >> > > > > > > To: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: MOD for the new Mako was Re: >> > > > > > Purpose of the List >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mako 2 and it's factory rated for 55m anybody done >> > > > > > deeper? >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > From: "Cam Banks"<cam@ca*.co*> >> > > > > > > To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>, "Techdiver >> > > > > > > (E-mail)"<techdiver@aquanaut.com> >> > > > > > > Date: Fri Aug 17 09:07:58 PDT 2001 >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: MOD for the new Mako was Re: Purpose >> > > > > > of the List >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> What new Mako, please? Thanks. >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> Cam >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >>> From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> >> > > > > > >>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:19:38 -0700 (PDT) >> > > > > > >>> To: "David B. Widen" <dwiden@ho*.co*>, >> > > > > > "Techdiver (E-mail)" >> > > > > > >>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >> > > > > > >>> Subject: MOD for the new Mako was Re: Purpose of >> > > > > > the List >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> MOD for the new Mako. >> > > > > > >>> The manual states 55m. thanks >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > >>> From: "David B. Widen"<dwiden@ho*.co*> >> > > > > > >>> To: "Techdiver (E-mail)"<techdiver@aquanaut.com> >> > > > > > >>> Date: Thu Aug 16 18:55:34 PDT 2001 >> > > > > > >>> Subject: Purpose of the List >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>>> Let go back to tech diving issue and thoughts, >> > > > > > drop the T & A stuff. This >> > > > > > >>>> is >> > > > > > >>>> not January with cold and blow out. It is >> > > > > > August with great diving >> > > > > > >>>> opportunities. >> > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > >>>> David >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > ___________________________________________________ >> > > > > > >>> GO.com Mail >> > > > > > >>> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at >> > > > > > http://mail.go.com >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> -- >> > > > > > >>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >> > > > > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> > > > > > >>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >> > > > > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> -- >> > > > > > >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >> > > > > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> > > > > > >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >> > > > > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > ___________________________________________________ >> > > > > > > GO.com Mail >> > > > > > > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at >> > > > > > http://mail.go.com >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >> > > > > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> > > > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >> > > > > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >__________________________________________________________________ >> > > > >Do You Yahoo!? >> > > > >Gesendet von Yahoo! 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