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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C12A7B.A2AEC030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trey You have seen how we use the Dacor up here in VB and also when we have visited down in FL. I know that several of us would be interested in something that could go deeper without the problem of crushing. The burner time would need to be closer to 45 minutes for the typical shallower divers and to provide the margin of safety on the deeper dive (200-300 FSW Plus). The deeper (380 ~ 420) would not need the burn time for the depth but the extended deco. There are some issues about the Dacor as they stand now and relative position to the diver. What are some of the specification or characteristics of the proposed (Lamar English version)? Thanks David > -----Original Message----- > From: Trey [mailto:girvine@be*.ne*] > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:26 AM > To: Capt JT; Bryon Bertrim; Wendell Grogan > Cc: Techdiver Mailing List > Subject: RE: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor > > > JT, everyone always has some great "improvement" on Bill > Gavin's design. In > our world we say, "look who has the end of the line", and > that goes for > Europe and the US. It is no accident that we can bet our > lives for 19,000 > feet each way on the Gavin design. I will not go into why, > but anyone who > needs to know already does. For wreck diving, you guys could > use the same > stuff we do, but in your case I like the idea of everyone > having the same > gear and it being interchangeable, and in the case of the > Dacor, they don't > come any simpler and it certainly has been effective for your > application. > > I have made a couple of prototype wreck scooters, with the > concept being > smaller, more powerful and able to go much deeper, but I am > just now finding > ways to make them affordable. Lamar English actually had a > real nice one > that you could pick up and hold in one hand and fit into your > dive bag. It > had a battery in it like the lights, and would run 20 minutes > at about 3 > knots. I was thinking about bringing that design back for wreckers, or > something similar. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:01 PM > To: Bryon Bertrim; Wendell Grogan > Cc: Techdiver Mailing List > Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor > > > I guess you don't know as much as you say, its funny how on > this list you > can post one thing and those that lurk come out, the guy who > built the one > I used knew whose I used and why it was so dam slow. I let Tom (a > friend)use the SS and I dusted his ass with my Apollo at > 220ft on the Doria > and had to keep stopping so he could keep up... They now tell > me that they > are correcting the motors in the SS, but they still will have > a problem > with that type of trigger motorcycle handle on the SS. The > one I used is > only good for depth nothing more, he is willing to come dive > with us and > let us test the new ones, so I may change my mind, but the > one I saw/used > was a piece of shit, except for the depth rating and should > be replaced at > no cost.... Would I use it on one of my deep dives, sure the > Apollo/Dacors > won't cut it past 250ft, the SS has been to a max depth of > 360ft, I have > made 6 dives PAST that depth and 3 more planned for Oct. one > will be past > 500ft, you think that scooter is tough let me use one on that > dive, I'll > test it and let you know..... > > BTW if you paid 2K for an Apollo someone saw you coming..... > > > > At 11:12 AM 8/20/01 -0400, Bryon Bertrim wrote: > >JT and boys > >I believe your your opinion is way off base, the Silent > Submersion units > are > >only comparable to a Gavin and Zepp performance wise, like > the Gavin they > >both utilize a beefed up Oceanic Mako motor running at 24 > volts my guess > >around 1300 RPM they are depth rated to 500 ft/ beyond and > durable as hell. > >The Dacor/Apollo is a light duty inexpensive toy by > comparison, yes you may > >mod the triggers and beef up the outer shell to handle a bit > more depth but > >that is it. The Dacor runs a single 12 volt 24 Amp hr > battery and run at > 500 > >RPM the smallest SS unit uses 2 x18 amp hrs batteries and > the mid range > uses > >2 x26 Amp/hr. So you can say that the SS unit is heaver and > more expensive > >but the towing power of an SS is over 3 X more than any > Dacor. You have to > >worry about the Dacors just making it to the dive site the > case is so thin. > >DIR means just that buy the right equipment for the job and > the SS unit is > >an expedition class scooter. I use the SS's addition power > maneuvering in > >moderate to heavy current much like cave flow its bull nose > breaks the > water > >around the diver and equipment allowing you to handle more > flow with less > >stress. In a more recent comparison an SS unit to Dacor i > had to de-pitch > >the SS's prop to 4 out of 9 to allow the Dacor to barely > keep up in a no > >current shootout and i had more gear. Having owned both there is no > >comparison and recommend that if you are into any level of > technical diving > >and can afford it buy a real scooter.. A new Apollo will run > you 2K where > >for 1.5K more you get 3 X the scooter. All this said, I do > agree almost any > >scooter is better than no scooter at all. > > > >BB > > > >FYI Dacor and the Apollo av1 are on in the same. Dacor OEMs them from > >Apollo. > >http://www.apollosportsusa.com/products-av1.html > >www.silent-submersion.com > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Wendell Grogan" <wgrogan@dc*.ne*> > >To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> > >Cc: "Techdiver Mailing List" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > >Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 8:39 PM > >Subject: Re: MOD for the new Mako was Re: Purpose of the List > > > > > > > OK, good to know. But let me ask, easier? In what way? > Cheaper and > > > faster are more obvious. > > > Wendell > > > > > > Capt JT wrote: > > > > > > > > I have used the Silent Submersion, if you only dive > past 225ft all the > >time > > > > then that is what its good for. It has little use or > comparison to the > > > > Apollo/Dacor scooter, they are faster, easier, and > cheaper..... better > >in > > > > my book.... > > > > > > > > At 12:27 AM 8/19/01 +0200, wendell grogan wrote: > > > > >If anyone is interested, Rodney Nairne's scooters have > > > > >been a good 50 meters deeper without any problems. He > > > > >sells them as Silent Submersion. > > > > >Wendell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*> schrieb: > Huh, > > > > >actually, 55m is essentially the same depth > > > > > > rating as a standard Mako: > > > > > > 180 feet MOD. I did take one down to that depth the > > > > > > other day, but > > > > > > considering how often they leak on just mild dives, > > > > > > despite major babying of > > > > > > the o-rings, I wouldn't trust one for anything > > > > > > serious. Likely you will end > > > > > > up swimming it back, full of water. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cam > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > To: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: MOD for the new Mako was Re: > > > > > > Purpose of the List > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mako 2 and it's factory rated for 55m anybody done > > > > > > deeper? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: "Cam Banks"<cam@ca*.co*> > > > > > > > To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>, "Techdiver > > > > > > > (E-mail)"<techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > > > > > > Date: Fri Aug 17 09:07:58 PDT 2001 > > > > > > > Subject: Re: MOD for the new Mako was Re: Purpose > > > > > > of the List > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What new Mako, please? Thanks. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Cam > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> > > > > > > >>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:19:38 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > >>> To: "David B. Widen" <dwiden@ho*.co*>, > > > > > > "Techdiver (E-mail)" > > > > > > >>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > > > > > >>> Subject: MOD for the new Mako was Re: Purpose of > > > > > > the List > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> MOD for the new Mako. > > > > > > >>> The manual states 55m. thanks > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > > > > > >>> From: "David B. Widen"<dwiden@ho*.co*> > > > > > > >>> To: "Techdiver (E-mail)"<techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > > > > > >>> Date: Thu Aug 16 18:55:34 PDT 2001 > > > > > > >>> Subject: Purpose of the List > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Let go back to tech diving issue and thoughts, > > > > > > drop the T & A stuff. This > > > > > > >>>> is > > > > > > >>>> not January with cold and blow out. It is > > > > > > August with great diving > > > > > > >>>> opportunities. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> David > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > ___________________________________________________ > > > > > > >>> GO.com Mail > > > > > > >>> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at > > > > > > http://mail.go.com > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > > >>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > > > > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > >>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > > > > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > > > > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > > > > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________ > > > > > > > GO.com Mail > > > > > > > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at > > > > > > http://mail.go.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > > > > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > > > > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > >Gesendet von Yahoo! 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I know that several of us would be = interested in something that could go deeper without the problem of = crushing. The burner time would need to be closer to 45 minutes for the = typical shallower divers and to provide the margin of safety on the = deeper dive (200-300 FSW Plus). The deeper (380 ~ 420) would not need = the burn time for the depth but the extended deco.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>There are some issues about the Dacor as they stand = now and relative position to the diver.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What are some of the specification or characteristics = of the proposed (Lamar English version)?</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>David</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Trey [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:girvine@be*.ne*">mailto:girvine@bellsouth.net</A>]</= FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:26 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: Capt JT; Bryon Bertrim; Wendell = Grogan</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Cc: Techdiver Mailing List</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: RE: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> JT, everyone always has some great = "improvement" on Bill </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Gavin's design. In</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> our world we say, "look who has the end of = the line", and </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> that goes for</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Europe and the US. It is no accident that we can = bet our </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> lives for 19,000</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> feet each way on the Gavin design. I will not go = into why, </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> but anyone who</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> needs to know already does. For wreck diving, = you guys could </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> use the same</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> stuff we do, but in your case I like the idea of = everyone </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> having the same</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> gear and it being interchangeable, and in the = case of the </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Dacor, they don't</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> come any simpler and it certainly has been = effective for your </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> application.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I have made a couple of prototype wreck = scooters, with the </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> concept being</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> smaller, more powerful and able to go much = deeper, but I am </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> just now finding</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ways to make them affordable. Lamar English = actually had a </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> real nice one</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> that you could pick up and hold in one hand and = fit into your </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> dive bag. It</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> had a battery in it like the lights, and would = run 20 minutes </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> at about 3</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> knots. I was thinking about bringing that design = back for wreckers, or</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> something similar.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Capt JT [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">mailto:captjt@mindspring.com</A>]</= FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:01 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: Bryon Bertrim; Wendell Grogan</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Cc: Techdiver Mailing List</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I guess you don't know as much as you say, its = funny how on </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> this list you</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> can post one thing and those that lurk come out, = the guy who </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> built the one</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I used knew whose I used and why it was so dam = slow. I let Tom (a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> friend)use the SS and I dusted his ass with my = Apollo at </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 220ft on the Doria</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> and had to keep stopping so he could keep up... = They now tell </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> me that they</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> are correcting the motors in the SS, but they = still will have </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> a problem</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> with that type of trigger motorcycle = handle on the SS. The </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> one I used is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> only good for depth nothing more, he is willing = to come dive </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> with us and</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> let us test the new ones, so I may change my = mind, but the </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> one I saw/used</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> was a piece of shit, except for the depth rating = and should </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> be replaced at</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> no cost.... Would I use it on one of my deep = dives, sure the </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Apollo/Dacors</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> won't cut it past 250ft, the SS has been to a = max depth of </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 360ft, I have</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> made 6 dives PAST that depth and 3 more planned = for Oct. one </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> will be past</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 500ft, you think that scooter is tough let me = use one on that </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> dive, I'll</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> test it and let you know.....</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> BTW if you paid 2K for an Apollo someone saw you = coming.....</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> At 11:12 AM 8/20/01 -0400, Bryon Bertrim = wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >JT and boys</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >I believe your your opinion is way off base, = the Silent </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Submersion units</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> are</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >only comparable to a Gavin and Zepp = performance wise, like </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the Gavin they</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >both utilize a beefed up Oceanic Mako motor = running at 24 </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> volts my guess</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >around 1300 RPM they are depth rated to 500 = ft/ beyond and </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> durable as hell.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >The Dacor/Apollo is a light duty inexpensive = toy by </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> comparison, yes you may</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >mod the triggers and beef up the outer shell = to handle a bit </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> more depth but</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >that is it. The Dacor runs a single 12 volt = 24 Amp hr </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> battery and run at</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 500</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >RPM the smallest SS unit uses 2 x18 amp hrs = batteries and </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the mid range</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> uses</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >2 x26 Amp/hr. So you can say that the SS = unit is heaver and </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> more expensive</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >but the towing power of an SS is over 3 X = more than any </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Dacor. You have to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >worry about the Dacors just making it to the = dive site the </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> case is so thin.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >DIR means just that buy the right equipment = for the job and </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the SS unit is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >an expedition class scooter. I use the SS's = addition power </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> maneuvering in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >moderate to heavy current much like cave = flow its bull nose </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> breaks the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> water</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >around the diver and equipment allowing you = to handle more </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> flow with less</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >stress. In a more recent comparison an SS = unit to Dacor i </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> had to de-pitch</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >the SS's prop to 4 out of 9 to allow the = Dacor to barely </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> keep up in a no</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >current shootout and i had more gear. Having = owned both there is no</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >comparison and recommend that if you are = into any level of </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> technical diving</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >and can afford it buy a real scooter.. A new = Apollo will run </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> you 2K where</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >for 1.5K more you get 3 X the scooter. All = this said, I do </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> agree almost any</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >scooter is better than no scooter at = all.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >BB</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >FYI Dacor and the Apollo av1 are on in the = same. Dacor OEMs them from</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >Apollo.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ><A = HREF=3D"http://www.apollosportsusa.com/products-av1.html">http://www.apol= losportsusa.com/products-av1.html</A></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >www.silent-submersion.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >----- Original Message -----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >From: "Wendell Grogan" = <wgrogan@dc*.ne*></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >To: "Capt JT" = <captjt@mi*.co*></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >Cc: "Techdiver Mailing List" = <techdiver@aquanaut.com></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 8:39 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >Subject: Re: MOD for the new Mako was Re: = Purpose of the List</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > OK, good to know. But let me = ask, easier? In what way? </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Cheaper and</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > faster are more obvious.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Wendell</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Capt JT wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > I have used the Silent = Submersion, if you only dive </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> past 225ft all the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >time</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > then that is what its good for. = It has little use or </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> comparison to the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > Apollo/Dacor scooter, they are = faster, easier, and </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> cheaper..... better</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > my book....</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > At 12:27 AM 8/19/01 = +0200, wendell grogan wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > >If anyone is interested, = Rodney Nairne's scooters have</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > >been a good 50 meters deeper = without any problems. He</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > >sells them as Silent = Submersion.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > >Wendell</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > >--- Cam Banks = <cam@ca*.co*> schrieb: > Huh,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > >actually, 55m is essentially = the same depth</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > rating as a standard = Mako:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > 180 feet MOD. I = did take one down to that depth the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > other day, but</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > considering how often = they leak on just mild dives,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > despite major babying = of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > the o-rings, I wouldn't = trust one for anything</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > serious. Likely = you will end</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > up swimming it back, = full of water.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > Cam</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > From: terry = michael <OEA51@go*.co*></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > Date: Sat, 18 Aug = 2001 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > To: Cam Banks = <cam@ca*.co*></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: = MOD for the new Mako was Re:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > Purpose of the = List</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > Mako 2 and it's = factory rated for 55m anybody done</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > deeper?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > -----Original = Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > From: "Cam = Banks"<cam@ca*.co*></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > To: "terry = michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>, "Techdiver</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > = (E-mail)"<techdiver@aquanaut.com></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > Date: Fri Aug 17 = 09:07:58 PDT 2001</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: MOD = for the new Mako was Re: Purpose</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > of the List</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >> What new Mako, = please? Thanks.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >> Cam</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> From: = terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> Date: Fri, = 17 Aug 2001 00:19:38 -0700 (PDT)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> To: = "David B. Widen" <dwiden@ho*.co*>,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > "Techdiver = (E-mail)"</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> = <techdiver@aquanaut.com></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> Subject: = MOD for the new Mako was Re: Purpose of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > the List</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> MOD for = the new Mako.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> The manual = states 55m. thanks</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> = -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> From: = "David B. Widen"<dwiden@ho*.co*></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> To: = "Techdiver (E-mail)"<techdiver@aquanaut.com></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> Date: Thu = Aug 16 18:55:34 PDT 2001</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> Subject: = Purpose of the List</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>>> Let go = back to tech diving issue and thoughts,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > drop the T & A = stuff. This</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>>> = is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>>> not = January with cold and blow out. It is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > August with great = diving</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>>> = opportunities.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>>> = David</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > = ___________________________________________________</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> GO.com = Mail</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> Get Your = Free, Private E-mail at</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > <A = HREF=3D"http://mail.go.com">http://mail.go.com</A></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> --</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> Send mail = for the `techdiver' mailing list to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > = `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>> Send = subscribe/unsubscribe requests to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >> --</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >> Send mail for = the `techdiver' mailing list to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > = `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > >> Send = subscribe/unsubscribe requests to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > = ___________________________________________________</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > GO.com Mail</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > > Get Your Free, = Private E-mail at</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > <A = HREF=3D"http://mail.go.com">http://mail.go.com</A></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > --</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > Send mail for the = `techdiver' mailing list to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > = `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > Send = subscribe/unsubscribe requests to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > > = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = >__________________________________________________________________</F= ONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > >Do You Yahoo!?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > >Gesendet von Yahoo! 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