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Keith, I was talking about independants on the back where there is every reason to use a manifold. This guy is doing open water diving. He wants to get into tech diving. He is considering a sub-optimal solution. A manifold is the way to go for reasons already outlined. Why aren't you guys finding this to be common sense? ss On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Keith Taylor wrote: > Don't you just love the nice blanket statements like "Independents are not > safe." that you see on this list. I guess every side mount cave diver is > just totally "unsafe" then aren't they. Yes independents have much more of > a cluster fuck problem, yes they have gas management issues and they are > definitely NOT the setup that someone new to diving doubles should be in, > but in certain scenarios they are the "safest" setup. Just my two cents. > > Keith > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Schultz" <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*> > To: "Thom Hadfield" <thom.hadfield@ho*.co*> > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "Dean Laffan" <email@re*.co*.au*> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 8:27 PM > Subject: Re: Doubles > > > > > > Thom, > > > > Bob Sherwood is a GUE instuctor who is likely willing to travel if you can > get a few guys together for the course. You could also talk to Dan Mackay > from Kingston at Northern Techdiver. I bet he'd travel for the right price. > Call him 613-6diving. > > > > There are reasons why most serious tech divers use iso-manifolds. > Independants are not safe. If you TDI friend tells you otherwise, I'd > suggest finding a different instructor to be your mentor. > > > > ss > > > > On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Thom Hadfield wrote: > > > > > > > > > btw I remember your first posts here some months ago regarding > purchase of > > > > trimix and the flurry of replies asking you to slow down and get > proper > > > > training. Have you been able to get into some training program and > find > > > some > > > > experienced buddies ? > > > > > > > > Please tell me this list is not your primary source of knowledge and > > > advice > > > > for technical diving ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I have, I dive with an instructor often that is a friend who is > trimix > > > certified and has done a lot of Lake superior and ocean diving. I am > takeing > > > advanced nitrox and deco theory in sept. No this list is not my only > source > > > but Being that there are not a lot of DIR instructores in this area I > bounce > > > other ideas I have spoken with people about off the list for honest > input. > > > In fact in my area most dive shope are TDI. I already know how most > people > > > feel about TDI. I am looking at trimix next summer if I can afford to > > > assemble the apropriate gear and practice with the gear before the end > of > > > next summer. I was looking at using independants on a 115-140(at the > > > deepest) foot dive using nitrox. And well I have not adapted the long > hose > > > setup yet so I pass a short hose in any event. I also already have 2 spg > so > > > it is not a cost. I am looking into re rigging and diving with a long > hose. > > > I am currently set up with a primary, secondary, octo and spg on each > rig. > > > Which I thought would be a little messy in an independant set up. I > started > > > thinking about an independent setup from an Naui and IANTD instructor > > > suggested it as an option for the dive I mentioned above. I have been > > > patiently looking on ebay for a descent used manifold but I haven't ran > > > across a good deal yet. I do see their are more drawbacks than I had > > > originally thought about. As far as do i use this list for my soul tech > > > diving advice NO but I like to take in all the info and opinions I have > > > acess to. But I also relise opinions are like asshole, everybody has > one. SO > > > you have to sort through ands take some with a grain of salt. Again for > > > those that want to through flames I already understand that independants > > > aren;t the best way to acomplish a dive. But I was recongnising the fact > the > > > iso's arent the only way. > > > > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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