Duane Liptak, Jr., said "NAME ONE."

Independents are the "safest" answer to diving in caves where the only
penetration option is sidemount.  No I was not recommending that "banded
independents" be used in any situation, that's just like having a big pony
bottle or maybe the new Spare Air Double Nitrox (yes Virginia there really
is such an item, if it only had an iso it could be DIR approved
http://www.spareair.com/product_info.html ).  ;-)

My issue is with sweeping statements and assumptions like "independents are
not safe".  Such sweeping statements are designed to cut off all argument by
stating your position as proved fact.  Even if we are talking banded
independents they are not "unsafe at any speed" Mr. Nader, but instead they
are less safe than diving banded doubles with an iso valve.  Safety is a
relative thing, if we don't dive at all we are "safer" than if we do dive,
if we never dive deeper than 30 feet we can be "safer" than if we go to 300
feet even if we're following the best protocols for deep dives.  Since
diving is inherently dangerous and tech diving to the nth degree over
recreational diving then we obviously want the greatest safety margin
allowable for that inevitable day when the shit does hit the fan.  So the
trade offs that we make should be based upon the environment being dived,
not upon what our wallet will allow.

Keith


----- Original Message -----
From: "Duane Liptak Jr." <d.liptak.jr@wo*.at*.ne*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "Keith Taylor" <greymouser@mi*.co*>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Independents are not safe.


>
>
> >Don't you just love the nice blanket statements like "Independents are
not
> >safe." that you see on this list.
>
> Yes, I do.  Statements like this are called "truth".
>
> Aw, hell, I started to write a whole damn litany of things out to argue
the
> stupidity of this whole independents thing, but let's just handle this the
> easy way:
>
> >Yes independents have much more of
> >a cluster fuck problem, yes they have gas management issues and they are
> >definitely NOT the setup that someone new to diving doubles should be in,
> >but in certain scenarios they are the "safest" setup.
>
> NAME ONE.
>

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