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Thank You for your frank opinion, and my apologies if I have misquoted anybody. I will certainly take your advice and give the Jet fins a try. Yours Sincerely Terence Ong Kian Hock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*> To: "Terri" <terong@pa*.ne*.sg*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut. Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Cc: <dsmith218@ho*.co*>; "Davy" <davydive@te*.co*.sg*> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 7:55 AM Subject: RE: Split fins > Terri, the split fins are bullshit, and your misuse of quotes out of context > does not make up for that fact. We use one fin, not several different fins, > just like we use one gear configuration for all occasions. There is never > any question of what the outcome will be in all contingencies. We don't use > stroke gear to do some dives, and the real gear to do others. This kind of > thinking is what Jarrod and I do not allow near us on our team. > > Now, to put to rest one more bullshit slant by you, the fact is the Jetfin > with its ridiculous holes is no match for the Farrallon fin, and if we could > get Farrallon fins, we would use them instead. > > "hogarthian" is not what we do. We long ago passed that stage as we were > needed to really do serious diving and we wanted a system that worked > everywhere for everything from open water to ice with no changes, and that > is what DIR is - the evolution of what was begun by Bill Gavin, my former > dive partner, somebody you never even met. I really resent your misuse of > him and Jarrod , but then you are making it clear that you have no idea what > the hell you are talking about, and are not afraid to prove it. > > One more side note: I bought some Scuba Pro "Gorilla" fins back in 1991. I > figured I would wear them when I dove a wetsuit, and the heavier jets with > the drysuit. Guess what? The fins were not only a bullshit gimmick like the > split fins and got flimsy after a few dives, but Bill Gavin immediately told > me, with Bill "Hogarth" Main standing there with us as the three of us > prepared to dive, me in my stroke Gorilla fins, "you need to lose the stroke > shit". > > Terry, when you are putting out bullshit, do not cc me or address me. If you > want to know how it is done , you can ask politely. YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT > THE EVOLUTION OF OUR DIVING IS, AND YOU SURE AS HELL HAVE NO BUSINESS > MISQUOTING MY DIVE PARTNERS. You dive with them, and you can tell me how it > works, OK? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terri [mailto:terong@pa*.ne*.sg*] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:19 AM > To: trey@ne*.co* > Cc: dsmith218@ho*.co*; Davy > Subject: Re: Split fins > > > I took up diving in 1983 and around that time (if my memory serves me well) > the Scuba Pro Jet Fins were introduced, many divers were very sceptical > about fins with holes in them. A lot of them said that this was just a > gimmick by Scuba Pro to sell fins, fortunately there were some divers who > were willing to give it a try and it was these divers who finally convinced > the sceptics. > > I have been using the scuba pro twin jets for reef diving and > non-penetration wreck dives, on many occasions I have swam against currents > and have used less air than my much younger and fitter dive buddies using > the Scuba Pro Jet fins. > > However, I will not recommend these fins to divers who intend to lay line > since the split in the fins can cause entanglement as Mr Davy Koh had > pointed out to me. > > The split fins use a different kick technique which uses less muscle for > more thrust. These split fins are certainly not suitable for caving but I > have found them suitable for non-penetration wreck dives without a DPV. > I know this goes against DIR and I may, in some Tech circles be considered a > STROKE because of my fins, however my reasoning is based on the Hogarthian > way of thinking, ie. if only my fins can do the job why should I use a DPV > and fins to perform non-penetration wreck dives. > To quote Mr Jarrod Jablonski, "In the simplest of terms, the Hogarthian > concept embodies simplicity and functionality. At the heart of this concept > is the conviction of minimalism." > I sincerely hope that I have not stepped on any bodys toes but I just had to > put it down on paper what my views are regarding this topic. > > > Yours Sincrely > Terence Ong Kian Hock > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > To: David E. Smith <dsmith218@ho*.co*>; Davy <davydive@te*.co*.sg*> > > Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 8:59 AM > > Subject: RE: Split fins > > > > > > > > > > Dave, this is pure bullshit. Only a stroke uses split or any other kind > of > > > gimmick fin with gear on and you are giving us one more reason why not > to > > > dive with strokes. For instance, if I have a problem I want fins on that > > can > > > deal with it ( and on my buddy ), like Jet fins that will allow you to > > pick > > > up a 45 pound dumbbell off the bottom and swim up with it. Try that with > > > bullshit fins. Try pushing doubles and gear with floppy fins in a > current > > or > > > to respond quickly , not to mention the lack of control with them. Why > is > > it > > > that you guys only seem to think that maintaining proper skills and gear > > is > > > only a cave thing? Is this a "cold water" thing , too? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David E. Smith [mailto:dsmith218@ho*.co*] > > > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 4:45 PM > > > To: Davy; Techdiver > > > Subject: RE: Split fins > > > > > > > > > I had heard similar comments about "flimsy and soft" fins from > > > various split fins. However, I have a pair of the Atomic split > > > fin and they are great! I don't use them in cave, but they > > > made a believer in "high performance" fins for sure. Very > > > efficient, very fast with less effort. I love them! > > > > > > dsmith218@ho*.co* > > > ICQ# 25409809 > > > > > > Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. - > > > Polver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Davy [mailto:davydive@te*.co*.sg*] > > > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 10:33 AM > > > Subject: Split fins > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > On the subjects of drag force and high current diving, > > > I thought I'll ask you guys your opinions about the latest split fins. > > > > > > The split fins seem to be the new revelation in scuba diving now > > > with many manufacturers currently embracing the "nature wings" > technology. > > > When the first one appeared on the market, the Apollo Biofins, I tried > it > > > but found it too > > > flimsy and soft compared to the trusty SP jets. With the split, I also > > feel > > > these fins have the potential for entanglement. > > > But there are many divers, tech divers included, that seemed to swear by > > it. > > > Has anybody else tried using the rest of these "nature wings"? What are > > your > > > comments? > > > The dive mags are raving about these as well but it's better to hear > from > > > the real players here. > > > > > > Rgds, > > > Davy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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