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well as far as the boat trip. Here in the Great lakes wer do a lot of them.
And the Great lakes are as large as some of the smaller oceans. Working as a
First mate on a 47' Ketch for 4 years and teaching sailing on the same
vessel I have had my share of expierences with diesel engines and heavy
things falling on me. I also remeber more than once having nothing but one
arm and a safety harness keeping me from 230' grave in 39 degree water. I
remeber another time being atop a 90' mast in 3-5 foot waves. Waves not
swells their is a huge difference. I have found that more challenging than
any dive I have done. I have done some deeper diving to 130 or so feet in
<50 degree water from a boat in a higher current area. Vis of upto 20' if we
were lucky. I admit I have no Ocean expierence but from talking to people
that have dove in both many feel the great lakes are as challenging if not
more in some ways than many ocean dives. I guess it pissed me off because I
took it as being called a liar from someone I respected because of their
reputation and posts. I guess not haven given you a reason to disbelieve
what I posted yet getting ridiculed for it. The post was more about ear
problems anyway. I have a training schedule worked out to get my trimix
certification by next year if funding works out. I am adapting to a new gear
configuration more suitable to tech diving. Once I have got my gear
configured and am comfortable in using it I am going to progress to trimix
and deeper diving. I look forward to some of the deeper pristeen wrecks we
have here in the great lakes. I wonder if you would consider a 250' river
chalenging enough for ya ;-) I am not ready for it but I hear there might be
a few undiscovered wrecks down there waiting for the right person to find
them. There is almost always a current there and the water never gets much
warmer than 40 degrees and vis is normally about 5 feet or so.Also the area
is heavily traveled by frieghtors. So I guess dives in the Fresh water can
be challenging. I feel that anyone Ocean diver or not could find these
conditions to be a challenging dive. So we don't all dive in Quarries but I
do find the quarry a good place toi train and get used to gear configuration
before diving into the river or a deep wreck. To me that makes since and
seems like it should be DIR(if it's not). Safety first right? Or do you
consider it safe to dive into an advanced dive with new and unfamiliar
equipment when you have a nice calm clear place to test it out first.
Anyways my medication is just right ;-) Occasionally I have to add a
little nitrogen to the mix to feel just right but other than that my
antibiotics and decongestants are working just fine ;-) I was trying to
point out that this list could be a lot more helpfull to newbies with out
the constant badgering but I guess I can go with the flow
Thom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Cobb" <Cobber@ci*.co*>
To: "Thom Hadfield" <thom.hadfield@ho*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: On high current diving
Dearest Thom-
I neither believe nor disbelieve your 7 knot currents. I guess I'd say I'd
have to see it to believe it.
At any rate I the picture I had in my mind of being towed through the water
at 7 knots was outlined in my post, nothing more.
And to be pissed off over such a blatantly silly post as mine points out
some problems at your end, not mine, Sir. Perhaps an adjustment of your
medication would be in order.
I suppose there are various ways to glamorize quarry and river diving, but I
think that they are a different type of diving than ocean diving, presenting
different, though lessor, challenges. But if that's all you've got then
that's all you've got, I suppose.
But I do admit to having a hard time feeling Manly Appreciation for those
who drive their auto up to the lip of the water (fresh water, usually) don
their equipment at their leasure on a dainty tarp so as to not dirty their
feet. And then step into the water to knee depth, halting to adjust their
gear and contemplate life before proceeding into the depths.
No, a dive just does not seem to be a dive unless you have spent hundreds of
dollars on a boat trip, spent hours listening to the deafening roar of
diesel engines, and either froze or sweated (or both at the same time) in
your bunk wondering if you are going to get barfed on again. Ah, yes, and
the oders eminating from the head.
And it's just not the same if you don't wreck your back and smash your
elbows/fingers/knees/shins getting on/off the pitching, rolling boat, have
people stomp on and drop heavy shit on your feet and suffer the ravages of
salt water and diesel fumes on your hair, eyes, skin and dive equipment.
I'm not a horse higher than any of my other ocean diving brethren. I just
can't resist tweaking you quarry and river types. Go out and do a few ocean
dives and you may find out why you don't get much sympathy from me (and
apparently a few others) on this list. Keep it light, Thom, we are just
having a little fun.
Jim
On Monday, July 30, 2001 11:21 PM, Thom Hadfield <thom.hadfield@ho*.co*>
wrote:
>Well, as the original post that led to this thread my point would be get
>your facts straight before accusing others of lying about what they dive.
>Cobb jumped my shit when I was telling the truth about a dive I try to do
>once a week at least. And just because his dive style isn't one that works
>well in high current doesn't mean that those of us who regularly dive these
>currents are lying about our dives. That pissed me off. I have been honest
>in all my post and took advice and flames alike. Cobb seems to think he is
>on a high horse. I respect alot of his posts but when your wrong your
wrong.
>I have a lot to learn and am training and advancing my training weekly. I
am
>learning deep diving but that is not the only type of advanced and tech
>diving out there.
>
>
>Get the facts first Cobb. And well it looks like Black spoke to soon as
>well.
>
>
>Anyways enough bitching this is all about diving right.
>
>Thom
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael J. Black" <mjblackmd@ya*.co*>
>To: "Aquanaut Mail" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:02 PM
>Subject: Re: On high current diving
>
>
>> Poor Cobb, not only is he stupid and ugly, he can't even lie well.
>>
>> Have a nice day, Cobber ("why anybody would want to cripple themselves
>> with a wrist deco computer is beyond me")!
>>
>> MJB ;-)
>>
>>
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