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Esssssaaaaaaaaaat how the fuck are you? This guy must have either been diving for weeks without food or sleep, or has some condition requiring medication that he either failed to take, or was the cause of the problem itself, and he obviously omitted telling his buddies about it , and they suffered the consequences, although at least they were good buddies, unlike what Garret Wineberg had, and they handled the deal. I've got some great stuff on cell rigidity using compressed air to 100 feet. I want to send it to you and have you tell me what you think of it. Send me an address privately. That does not mean anyone else, only my boy Esat. I think he can sort it out since there are so many moving parts., and he is a moving parts guy if there ever was one when it comes to physiology. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esat Atikkan" <atikkan@ya*.co*> To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Fw: The Seizure > Please provide citations that hyperoxic environments > lead to increased rates of metabolism, glycolisis & a > shift to beta oxidation. > > Thnx. > > Esat Atikkan > --- Matej Simonic / Testing LTD <mail@te*.si*> > wrote: > > Sent on behalf of Dean Horvat. > > BR > > Matej > > > > > There are some missing facts in Mr. JT's report, > > such as the diver's age, > > > physical condition, pre-existing medical > > condition(s), physical activities > > > prior to and during the dive, dive conditions > > (esp. cold & currents) and > > > breathing mixtures (if any). However, having > > examined the existing facts > > of > > > the dive, oxtox diagnosed by the attending MD is a > > far guess. > > > In my opinion, the resulting condition, though > > symptomatically simmilar to > > > oxtox, was a manifestation of exercise-induced > > hypoglycemia (low blood > > > sugar). There is a fact in favour of this theory: > > the affected diver had > > > actually had enough time to percieve the > > condition, swim to his buddy and > > > signal that something was wrong before the seizure > > took place. The onset > > of > > > acute oxygen toxicity, on the other hand, usually > > does not allow enough > > time > > > for the diver to react in order to avoid a seizure > > (the well known > > ?VENTID? > > > oxtox signs/symptoms were actually collected > > post-festum by surviving > > > affected or monitored in controlled environment). > > > Nevertheless, oxygen plays an important role in > > this episode: higher than > > > normal ppO2 actually accelerated aerobic > > metabolism of the diver thus > > > burning his low blood sugar even faster, resulting > > seizure some time after > > > the metabolical switch from liver glycogene > > glycolysis (short-term energy > > > store) changed to glycolysis from beta-oxidation > > of fatty accids > > (long-term > > > energy store). Time margin, critical for this > > metabolic switch in which > > > metabolic processes of beta-oxydation of fatty > > acids start well before > > liver > > > sugar is completely exhausted, was in this case > > too short due to > > accelerated > > > oxydation by higher than normal ppO2. Simply put: > > diver's body did not > > have > > > enough time to properly accomodate and meet > > metabolical demands because of > > > increased ?burning?. > > > There may also be some other pre-existing medical > > conditions that could > > lead > > > to such an outcome: the diver should consider a > > medical examination on > > > diabetes and epilepsy. > > > > > > Advice for further diving: > > > 1. proper hydration before, (during on long dives) > > and after a dive. > > > 2. sufficient intake of fruit sugars in a form of > > different fruits (esp. > > > apples, bananas, grapefruit and pineapples) and > > honey > > > 3. limit physical activity, pay attention to > > proper breathing > > > 4. proper physical condition for the dive > > > 5. lower ppO2 in breathing mixtures > > > 6. military: never use CO2 for dry-suit > > inflation/thermal protection. Ar > > is > > > a gas of chioce. > > > 7. wear full face mask - flush regularly > > > > > > Safe diving, > > > > > > Dean Horvat. > > > > > > __________________________________________ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Matej Simonic / Testing LTD > > <mail@te*.si*> > > > To: <norik-sub-l@am*.si*> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:21 AM > > > Subject: Fw: The Seizure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> > > > > To: <vbtech@ci*.co*> > > > > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; > > <FLTechDiver@mikey.net> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:11 PM > > > > Subject: The Seizure > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will write a regular trip report in a couple > > of days, but think > > > everyone > > > > > would be interested in this now... > > > > > > > > > > The Seizure: > > > > > > > > > > The diver had made their previous dive some 24 > > hrs before and prepared > > > for > > > > > the last dive of the trip along with 2 divers > > that would accompany > > them. > > > > > The divers had only intended to stay 15 min > > to 220ft, the 2 other > > > divers > > > > > had made dives that morning and were making > > conservative second dives. > > > > > > > > > > The dive went as planned, 16 mins BT had been > > done and the diver > > elected > > > > to > > > > > dive 20 min tables, all 3 ran exact profiles. > > All divers were on board > > > but > > > > > 4 when I went over to unshackle and make a > > breakable tie in to remove > > > our > > > > > mooring. I saw the diver who was decoing on > > our hang bar at 20ft and > > > they > > > > > looked fine. I took a minute to relax on the > > hang bar before I > > descended > > > > > and everything looked fine. > > > > > > > > > > The following events were told to me as I was > > not back on board until > > 20 > > > > > mins after I went down. > > > > > The diver realizing something moved over to > > the buddy and signaled > > > > > something was wrong, the buddy not knowing > > what was wrong asked if > > they > > > > > wanted to go up. The buddy also knew that they > > were diving 20min > > tables > > > > for > > > > > a 16 min BT and had already done 18 min of the > > 20 min required stop at > > > > > 20ft. The diver should be clean enough to > > surface. > > > > > > > > > > A normal ascent was made by the 2 divers from > > 20ft only the buddy had > > > put > > > > > himself in the face to face position. At 5ft > > the diver seized and the > > > reg > > > > > came out of their mouth. Bubbles exited the > > divers mouth during the > > > > > remainder of the ascent and once on the > > surface a call for help was > > made > > > > by > > > > > the buddy, another diver jumped in and the > > victims head was raised out > > > of > > > > > the water, the body was in a complete convulse > > and the arms were so > > > stiff > > > > > they could not be bent to remove the gear and > > the harness was then > > cut. > > > > The > > > > > diver was pulled from the water, within a > > minute of being out of the > > > water > > > > > the seizure stopped and the victim puked, lips > > were blue and color had > > > > gone > > > > > from the face during the seizure, with in > > seconds those things > > returned > > > to > > > > > normal after the seizure. The drysuit was > > removed, the victim was > > > unaware > > > > > of what had happen and was disoriented, 02 was > > administered. The Capt > > > went > > > > > and made a call to the USCG. > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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