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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:18:40 -0400
From: Wendell Grogan <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>
To: "Richards, Simon" <richardss@nm*.co*>
CC: "'techdiver@aquanaut.com'" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Drysuits
> I would appreciate views on two questions:
> 
> (1)  I have a DUI CF200 drysuit, and I think I was originally taught not to
> use the wings underwater for buoyancy control, just the suit.  I have seen
> the occasional reference here to using the wings underwater, but I have done
> a search and couldn't see any definitive advice.  A couple of times (but not
> always) I have felt that I couldn't get enough buoyancy on the drysuit
> alone, and have got through a lot of air inflating the suit and then having
> it blow out of the neck seal (I've never had any water come in).  Was this
> the wrong body position, overweighting, neck seal cut too loose, or just bad
> diving?  Should I have put some air into my wings?  Basically, I think I'm
> asking "how do I dive (properly, in the real world with big buoyancy changes
> during a dive as air is used) in a drysuit?"
I vaguely remember reading that somewhere, but as soon as I started
diving dry realized that it doesn't work.  If you try using your dry
suit only for buoyancy, all sorts of bad, annoying things happen.  If
your seals were so tight that you didn't blow bubbles out the neck as
some point, then you would be able to inflate the suit so much that you
couldn't get to your dump valve because your arms would be too stiff. 
This is a major hazard that hard hat divers encountered in the early
days.  The real world advice I'd give is to make sure you're not over
weighted (check the GUE site for information on how to test your weight
balance), then use enough air in your dry suit to stay warm (i.e.. keep
the suit from coming into direct contact with your underwear- air
doesn't provide much insulation beyond preventing direct thermal
conduction) and use your wings for buoyancy control.  Body position
plays a part also.  If you are vertical, your neck seal is going to
leak, if you're horizontal (which you should be), then its less likely
to do so.  Thankfully, I never took the PADI Dry Suit Specialty course
so I didn't have alot to unlearn.  I just learned from the woman who
made my suit.


 
> (2)  My buddy wants a drysuit and her funds are limited.  She is looking at
> something called an "Otter", which is a laminate I believe.  I think George
> Irvine has recommended DUI TLS on this site, but she cannot afford one.
> Does anyone have any good or bad experiences with Otters?
If her funds are limited, rather than getting a piece of crap dry suit,
go to diving swap meets.  I picked up a very old, but still serviceable
dry suit for $100 for my son that way.  It did need a couple of things
done to it that cost another $50, but for a teenage boy, it was a great
deal while he was still growing.  He now has enough experience with dry
suits that if he ever stops growing, we'll be able to get him a good one
that he will really be able to use.  I doubt that she'll get quite such
a good deal, but there are often quality used suits for sale in our area
for about half the price of a new good suit, or about a quarter of the
price of a top of the line DUI.


> 
> You can see that we are a long way off doing any serious dives yet, but we
> would like to get there slowly over the next year or two and to buy the
> right equipment now.

That's the right way to go.  Get the good equipment first, learn to use
it in simple dives, then when you get into the more complex stuff, all
you have to learn is the new diving technique!
Wendell
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