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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 18:19:15 -0400
From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*>
Subject: Re: Fw: Hardened
To: Scott <scottk@nw*.co*>
Cc: Techlist <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
wow, its been years.

I guess you never really forget a good bitchslapping.

all the best Scottie.

Marv

PS isnt it funny how the guys who snap and climb a tower with a rifle 
are either marines, machine shop workers or from the Pacific Northwest?  
-ajm

Scott wrote:

> x-no-archive:yes
> 
> From: "Trey"
> To: "Scott" ; XXXXXXXXX
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 8:44 AM
> Subject: RE: Hardened
> 
>> Scott, put this on techdiver
> 
> 
> Put it on Techdiver, aye.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:10 AM
>> To: Trey; XXXXX
>> Subject: Re: Hardened
> 
>> Its bad and getting worse. IANTD is putting out strokes faster than we can
>> unfuck them.
>> 
>> Fucking *CLAUDIA MILZ* is an IANTD Instroketor! Little more than a
>> year ago she washed out of GUE Cave 1,
>> she cant admit that fact to anyone (a screaming red flag!), and now she is
>> an IANTD Instroketor, and her buddy and fiancée
>> just croaked, but she has a problem
>> with *me* teaching people to dive Triox! Her arrogance, ego and stupidity
>> makes Garrett's pale in comparison.
>> 
>> What gets me is that all these people hate and attack DIR because it
>> threatens some part of their little minds that lets them
>> believe they know all when it comes to diving. I guess maybe they need to
>> think they are the top of the ladder so they aren't scared to go
> 
> underwater.
> 
>> IANTD is becoming a deadly, communicable disease. What going to happen is
>> the Government is going to get involved, and then kiss off He, home brew
>> mixing, all of it. Its already, I understand, a pain in the ass to get He
> 
> in
> 
>> Florida because of IANTD and the deaths there. I think there should be
>> enough evidence by now that a class action suit could be brought against
>> IANTD and Mount, and just sue his ass out of business. The problem is,
>> people line up to buy that shit!
>> 
>> Weinberg was a diving motherfucker. Something else was wrong, but I doubt
>> very seriously we will ever know exactly.
>> Besides all the damage control and bullshit Mount is proffering, the only
>> witness is a known liar and egomaniac, Claudia.
>> And you can bet your eye teeth Mount has been coaching her *very*
> 
> carefully.
> 
>> This one was a learning experience for me. What I learned is just what a
>> lowlife scumbag Mount is. This shit has a pattern that I am just now
>> beginning to see:
>> 
>> 1) Accident happens, someone dies.
>> 2) Mount posts up disinformation and outright conjecture and lies as fact.
>> 3) People beat him up for his stupidity and stubborn unwillingness to
>> change, and for the number of stiffs surrounding him.
>> 4) He falls back on the moral and emotional "high ground" because we dare
> 
> to
> 
>> disparage a dead person, and although *he* was first to post conjecture as
>> fact, he then begins hammering others for doing the same thing he did to
>> start with.
>> 5) A few more "facts" surface, and Mount throws the damage control spin on
>> it, adding to the confusion.
>> 6) People become polarized, as Mount has turned it into a "Them against
> 
> Us"
> 
>> issue.
>> 7) He stands back and shuts up, and all the "experts" put up theories and
>> bullshit, and the truth gets lost in the confusion and noise, and the
>> spotlight is removed from the person it should be shining on most
> 
> brightly,
> 
>> Tom Mount.
>> 8) After the funeral, the deceased is put up as "a great explorer and
> 
> leader
> 
>> in the diving community."
>> 
>> Seems kinda strange how this rebreather keeps killing people, and IANTD
>> keeps pushing the fucking thing. Anything for an easy buck.
>> 
>> Bottom line is Garrett was dead before he got out of the cab of his truck.
>> If not this time, then some other time,  as sure and eventual as the
>> sunrise. I told Ron, Ratfuck, you, and everyone else that would loan me an
>> ear, two years ago, that Weinberg was going to kill someone or get killed.
>> 
>> He made several *major* mistakes:
>> 
>> 1) Having Claudia as a buddy. This right here was the final nail in his
>> coffin. No matter what his problems were, *she* should have fixed them.
> 
> Shit
> 
>> bro, if you and I were diving and you started having inflation problems, I
>> would grab my trauma shears and cut the friggin inflator hose, or a hole
> 
> in
> 
>> the sleeve of your suit, *anything* but watch you float away. *If* that's
>> even what happened. Claudia's word is a little bit less than worthless.
>> 
>> 2) Pulling 300 foot bounces on a rebreather just to log a "300 footer".
>> Guess he wont be bragging this dive off in the parking lot, will he?
>> 
>> 3) Playing with rebreathers. Again, no more braggin rights. These people
> 
> are
> 
>> snobs. They need something to dump $20 grand into, so they can be better
>> than the next guy. Same shit as buying a fucking "Eddie Bauer" Explorer.
>> Ego, vanity and arrogance. "When I dive my rebreather..." That's what its
>> all about. Mount knows *exactly* what he is doing, and so did Weinberg.
>> 
>> 4) Playing with 300 footers. Ridiculous. Period.
>> 
>> 5) No support. Zero. Nothing. His accident response is to crawl out onto
> 
> the
> 
>> boat ramp, and croak "Call 911" to a passing pedestrian. He may as well
> 
> have
> 
>> been diving solo.
>> 
>> 6) Thinking he was the end all do all diver. I took one nitrox blending
>> class and nitrox cert class from him, and was in the middle of Adv. Nitrox
>> when I bailed on him and his "methods". The IANTD training regimen is
>> designed as much to keep the lawyers happy, and to allow the introketor to
>> hose the student unnecessarily and repeatedly (ask XXXXXX) as it is
> 
> teaching
> 
>> you the skills you need to know to survive underwater. How much you wanna
>> bet that friggin Expiration harness has a peck strap that fouled the
>> inflator hose? Why else couldn't he disconnect it or turn off the friggin
>> bottle?
>> 
>> I expect the ME and the investigating body to be wowed by Weinberg's stack
>> of IANTD credentials, confused by the rebreather (the "inspection" was
> 
> done
> 
>> three days after Claudia took it home rendering the "inspection"
> 
> worthless),
> 
>> and
>> unable to figure out WTF *really* happened, and rule it an accidental
> 
> death.
> 
>> The idiots are already lining it up to blame
>> his Weezle underwear!
>> 
>> The thing that killed Garret was IANTD, arrogance, complacency and his
>> choice of a buddy.
>> 
>> Through GI (who flamed my ass off many times) you and I have learned to
>> recognize the beast and run from it.
>> 
>> These idiots embrace the beast, and it eats them, one by one. Lately, I
> 
> just
> 
>> stand by and watch the show. They will either figure it out, or die, and I
>> dont give a fuck which. They get no sympathy or post mortem respect.
>> 
>> I bailed out on rec.scuba, the techlist, all of them for now. I just dont
>> have time or energy to keep battling "wits" with the
>> likes of know-it-alls like Marvelli, pure dickheads like Michael J. Black,
>> Tom Mount and the rest of the hardened strokes that buy and wear his
> 
> bullshit.
> 
>> Every now and then I go off on someone on one of these lists, it's just
>> inevitable.
>> 
>> I am going to start hammering them on XXXXXX too. It's not going to
>> become a safe haven for strokery.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: XXXXXXXXXXX
>> To: Scott
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 8:31 PM
>> Subject: Hardened
>> 
>> 
>>> Hey Scott,
>>>     After Garret's death, I have become really intolerant of the bull
>> 
>> shit. I
>> 
>>> find myself becoming more and more disinterested in dealing with the
>> 
>> dumbness
>> 
>>> and just wanting to start fucking yelling at people.
>>>     Scott, you have had this drilled for a while and have managed to
>> 
>> maintain
>> 
>>> a civil tone on XXXXXXX. I am just getting pissed off when I read the
>> 
>> dumb
>> 
>>> fuckery anywhere. I don't want to even look at strokes and recreational
>> 
>> bull
>> 
>>> shit anymore. When other guys we know croak thru Dive Biz bullshit, I
>> 
>> think I
>> 
>>> will grow even more intolerant, eventually I may just only open e-mail
>> 
>> from
>> 
>>> you, GMI and our boys.
>>> 
>>> I have had it,
>>> XXXXXXXXX
>> 
> 
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