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Mr Street Sir,
In your esteamed knowledge, Please list and argue each point of DIR and =
why it is unsafe in comparison to what you call recreational diving =
standards.

If you are going to start a fight, then at least have the balls and the =
facts to back up what you claim.=20

General comments like "It breaks navy, NOAA, and other standards" just =
simply does not cut it. I want you to explain to me how it is unsafe and =
how other systems are better, and exactly why they are better.

I await your promt and factual reply
Chaz



  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Ed Street=20
  To: Olediver@ao*.co* ; techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:14 AM
  Subject: RE: DIR setup


  Hello,
  =20
  to even remotely imply that i'm an 'unsafe diver' simply because I =
don't dive in one manner is insane.  First almost everyone here has =
never even seen me let alone dove with me.  To imply things about that =
only puts these statments into question and also the validity of the =
speaker.  I would strongly urge you to stick to the facts instead of =
spreading shit that you obviously know nothing about.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Olediver@ao*.co* [mailto:Olediver@ao*.co*]
    Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 4:41 PM
    To: blacknet@ph*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
    Subject: Re: DIR setup


    Ed,=20

    I sincerely hope that you are not an instructor. Your apparent lack =
of diving=20
    experience and your attitude toward safety and standardization would =
be a=20
    terrible thing to pass on to unsuspecting students.=20

     Welll by YOUR above statment all the dir/hog setup breaks standards =
set by the recreational standards.  It also breaks navy, NOAA and other =
standards to.  So don't tell me not diving DIR breaks standards or how =
'unsafe' I am for not trying to kill myself with a system that has =
issues.=20
    =20
    I've been diving for 36 years, most of this time as an instructor, =
(YMCA,=20
    PADI, NAUI, NACD, NASDS, CMAS, and IANTD) and to me, DIR is the best =
system=20
    for staying alive that I have seen associated with diving or dive =
training. =20
    =20
    To each his/her own.  Just don't bash/condone those who disagree =
with you nor like your style.  Remember you can't please everyone.

    I don't always agree with George (Trey) on something's, but I find =
it=20
    difficult to argue with success. DIR is the most successful system =
that has=20
    evolved in the diving world at this time. =20
    =20
    How far does this 'sucess' reach?  Say if someone died then by the =
rules they are not "dir" and they are disowned. =20
    =20
    If it IS the most successfull then why isn't everyone jumping onthe =
bandwaggon?  I'll tell you why.  Because no one wants to hear their =
attitudes and egotistical approach to things.  Equipment wise it maybe =
better but if everyone sees that equipment and the first thing they =
think about is how macho it is because of the actions of some people =
then how does that make it 'success'?  In the business world that has a =
word for it, that word is "failure"

    If you ever plan to get into advanced or technical diving, I would =
suggest=20
    that you try DIR for a while and get familiar with it. From your =
post it is=20
    obvious that you haven't spent any time or effort using DIR.=20
    =20
    Well if you did actually know what your talking about instead of =
sprouting crap about me you would know that I HAVE tried it and I didn't =
like it nor will I use it again as in my case it makes absolutely NO =
sence to use it.  There is several good points that it makes and I guess =
overall it's ok but it's not a solution for all cases.  If you think it =
is then your close minded.
    =20
    All I ask if if you are going to attempt to enlighten me then don't =
talk crap about me, don't assume anything and stick to the facts at =
hand.  Afterall we all know what they say about assume.
    =20
    Ed
    =20
    =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Mr Street Sir,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>In your esteamed knowledge, Please list and =
argue each=20
point of DIR and why it is unsafe in comparison to what you call =
recreational=20
diving standards.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If you are going to start a fight, then at least =
have the=20
balls and the facts to back up what you claim. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>General comments like "It breaks navy, NOAA, and =
other=20
standards" just simply does not cut it. I want you to explain to me how =
it is=20
unsafe and how other systems are better, and exactly why they are=20
better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I await your promt and factual =
reply</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Chaz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:blacknet@ph*.ne*" =
title=3Dblacknet@ph*.ne*>Ed=20
  Street</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:Olediver@ao*.co*"=20
  title=3DOlediver@ao*.co*>Olediver@aol.com</A> ; <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com"=20
  title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 05, 2001
=
9:14=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: DIR
setup</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>Hello,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial size=3D2>to=20
  even remotely imply that i'm an 'unsafe diver' simply because I don't=20
  dive in one manner is insane.  First almost everyone here =
has never=20
  even seen me let alone dove with me.  To imply things about that =
only=20
  puts these statments into question and also the validity of the =
speaker. =20
  </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT
color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>I would strongly urge you to stick to the facts instead of =
spreading=20
  shit that you obviously know nothing about.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE>
    <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
Olediver@ao*.co* =

    [mailto:Olediver@ao*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 04, 2001
=
4:41=20
    PM<BR><B>To:</B> blacknet@ph*.ne*;=20
    techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: DIR =
setup<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>Ed, <BR><BR>I
sincerely hope =
that you are=20
    not an instructor. Your apparent lack of diving <BR>experience and =
your=20
    attitude toward safety and standardization would be a <BR>terrible =
thing to=20
    pass on to unsuspecting students. <BR><SPAN=20
    class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT=20
    color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT=20
    color=3D#0000ff> Welll</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
=
face=3DArial><FONT=20
    size=3D2><SPAN class=3D878505220-04072001> <FONT =
color=3D#0000ff>by YOUR=20
    above statment all the dir/hog setup breaks standards set by the=20
    recreational standards.  It also breaks navy, NOAA and other =
standards=20
    to.  So don't tell me not diving DIR breaks standards or =
how=20
    'unsafe' I am for not trying to kill myself with a system that has=20
    issues.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT=20
    color=3D#0000ff> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D878505220-04072001> </SPAN><BR>I've been diving for 36 =
years,=20
    most of this time as an instructor, (YMCA, <BR>PADI, NAUI, NACD, =
NASDS,=20
    CMAS, and IANTD) and to me, DIR is the best system <BR>for staying =
alive=20
    that I have seen associated with diving or dive training. <SPAN =

    class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT=20
    color=3D#0000ff> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D878505220-04072001></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT=20
    color=3D#0000ff>To each his/her own.  Just don't =
bash/condone=20
    those who disagree with you nor like your style.  Remember =
you=20
    can't please everyone.</FONT></SPAN><BR><BR>I don't always
agree =
with George=20
    (Trey) on something's, but I find it <BR>difficult to argue with =
success.=20
    DIR is the most successful system that has <BR>evolved in the diving =
world=20
    at this time. <SPAN class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT=20
    color=3D#0000ff> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D878505220-04072001></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT=20
    color=3D#0000ff>How far does this 'sucess' reach?  Say if =
someone died=20
    then by the rules they are not "dir" and they are disowned. =20
    </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D878505220-04072001></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT=20
    color=3D#0000ff>If it IS the most successfull then why isn't =
everyone=20
    jumping onthe bandwaggon?  I'll tell you why.  Because no =
one=20
    wants to hear their attitudes and egotistical approach to =
things. =20
    Equipment wise it maybe better but if everyone sees that equipment =
and the=20
    first thing they think about is how macho it is because of the =
actions of=20
    some people then how does that make it 'success'?  In the =
business=20
    world that has a word for it, that word is =
"failure"</FONT></SPAN><BR><BR>If=20
    you ever plan to get into advanced or technical diving, I would =
suggest=20
    <BR>that you try DIR for a while and get familiar with it. From your =
post it=20
    is <BR>obvious that you haven't spent any time or effort using=20
    DIR. <BR><SPAN class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT=20
    color=3D#0000ff> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D878505220-04072001><FONT=20
    color=3D#0000ff>Well if you did actually know what your talking =
about=20
    instead of sprouting crap about me you would know that I HAVE =
tried it=20
    and I didn't like it nor will I use it again as in my case it makes=20
    absolutely NO sence to use it.  There is several good points =
that it=20
    makes and I guess overall it's ok but it's not a solution for all=20
    cases.  If you think it is then your close=20
    minded.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D878505220-04072001></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D878505220-04072001>All I ask if if you are going to attempt =
to=20
    enlighten me then don't talk crap about me, don't assume anything =
and stick=20
    to the facts at hand.  Afterall we all know what they say about =

    assume.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D878505220-04072001></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D878505220-04072001>Ed</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D878505220-04072001></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
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