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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 18:17:45 -0700
From: Jack Farmer <jack@ma*.th*.co*>
Organization: The Crusader BBS
To: Ed Street <blacknet@ph*.ne*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: DIR setup
This has GOT to be a TROLL from rec.scuba! No one in tech diving can be THIS
blind.


Ed Street wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been looking at the DIR setup for awhile now and I have came to the
> conclusion that it's not a good setup and to me it seems like a very
> dangerous layout for several reasons.
>
> a) it goes against the majority of diving standards known today.  Like how
> many total training facilities in the U.S. (yea I'm in the u.s. and don't
> give a flip about non-us stuff here) teaches this concept vs. the total
> number of facilities that teaches other theories?
>
> b) A lot of the 'experts' seems to rant and rave on those who doesn't follow
> them for what seems, to me, like bad business practices.  It's like someone
> who has a different idea or theory is instantly
> hounded/harassed/insulted/belittled/etc.. for having their own thoughts or
> ideas about things.  One way of looking at this is evolution didn't just
> happen, it was a slow gradual step by step and update by update over a long
> period of time.  What changes/update/revisions has the DIR system undergone?
>
> c) Most dive outfits doesn't support the dir layout.  Why is this?  Is it
> because that it's not that good?  Is it because that there's to many people
> turns up DEAD?  Is it because of the above and below statements?  From
> talking to many shops about it and a lot of divers about this subject I
> gather that if your looking for machoism, egotistical and the like then DIR
> is for you.  Scuba equipment is just that, equipment.  It's a tool someone
> uses to achieve a desired means.  You don't use a screw driver to turn a
> lug-nut.  So why should I use the DIR setup in all cases?  My theory is it's
> just ONE of the many tools out there that can be used but isn't useful in
> some cases.  If the non-DIR equipment is really that bad then why are they
> still being produced?  Why are they no regulations to remove the bad crap
> and put the good crap in place?  I seem to recall this being done with some
> tanks recently.
>
> D) Isn't one of the rules to not dive with non-DIR divers?  It's like if you
> don't follow some rigid standards then your instantly a 'stroke'?  So what
> about all these people who die while diving the DIR setup?  Does that mean
> since they never surfaced they are a 'stroke'?  It's like the standards are
> so high that it's very very difficult for anyone to maintain at all times
> but yet expect everyone to maintain them at all times.  This makes no sense.
> Human nature dictates that humans are not perfect and makes mistakes all the
> time.  The higher the standards the more mistakes will be made.  Sadly when
> these mistakes ARE made it cost the person their life.  Now in the
> recreational community when these mistakes are made alot of the time the
> person will survive (depending on a lot of things) This leads to another
> thing.  If you can't dive w/ non-DIR divers and there few and far between in
> some areas (like my area) then how the fuck are you expected to do the buddy
> system? Or are you expected to do solo and turn your odds up even more of
> not coming up alive?
>
> E)  I've talked to some divers who felt that the DIR setup was just totally
> wrong for them, their person and their lifestyles.  They felt that it was
> out of place and very hard to adjust to it.  I thought diving was all about
> the comfort layer that the individual person felt.  How is it that we can
> dictate how others must dress and what equipment they must use when it's
> what WE use that counts the most?  An example, if diver A feels that the
> layout they are using is not right gets in the water then they are at a
> higher risk of problems.  Not just equipment problems but physical and more
> importantly psychological. So say everyone uses the dir setup and one person
> in the group doesn't feel right with the layout but they are putting blind
> faith in the layout (I see this a lot) and some problem arises, who do you
> think you can least trust?  Say they kept their mouth shut and you don't
> even know about their view on this, who then can you trust?  If you put your
> trust in them they could end up killing you.  All because people are putting
> peer pressure on non-dir divers to dive the DIR setup, which in my opinion
> is totally WRONG.
>
> F)  It would seem to me, from a business standpoint, that if you wanted an
> idea to flourish then you would cut out all the negativity/hostility that is
> generated towards the non-conforming divers and instead have compassion,
> understanding and in a caring manner educate the public as to why it's a
> 'superior' method.  This machoism attitude is depermental to a divers
> health.  There is *NOTHING* under that water that's worth your life and to
> me it would seem that diving with any machoistic setup/equipment/person
> would just endanger my life.  See where this is going?
>
> g) I see a lot of needless deaths cause a lot of people try to imitate what
> some groups are doing like the WKPP and enter areas, like caves, and later
> the morgue is called.  The reason they die is the diver feels that they can
> handle the task, they see the machoism from these groups and one of the
> traditional machoistic viewpoints is "you don't ask for help cause you can
> do it" so they do do it and they die because of it.  My input here is get
> rid of the machoistic front and you'll get alot MORE divers doing your
> style.
>
> You can call me anything you like but that doesn't hide nor stop the fact
> that I flat refuse to dive any form of DIY simply because my standards are
> to high and this method, to me, is nothing but an accident waiting to happen
> to good people.  It tends to lead people astray and promote a psychological
> separation from one's well being and the image that one presents.
>
> Oh and btw, no flames please.  These are my viewpoints and if you do feel
> you need to flame me then that's your egotistical machoistic approach
> feeling threatened.  Also flaming is a sign of non-stable and uncertainty on
> the flamers part.
>
> Ed
>
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