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List, May I be allowed to translate, as best I can, what George has argued, for the CURRENT list of doubters here, to try to explain perhaps a little more clearly where he's driving from, and I don't mean in the motoring sense. I'm sure that this will be repeatable time and again, as it has in the past. The comments are sometimes mine and sometimes I am putting words into Trey's mouth. These would be apposite to Trey's, and should not necessarily be construed as his. My apologies if I get that wrong. As an aside, try reading the archives, people, before you spout off at the mouth. > Capt Wyatt, I am sure that in your world Mouth is the Dali Lama, > but the fact is that while the man has been at it for some 50 years, > or at least 30, he has failed to participate in any real diving ever. > He has failed to do anything but gravitate to the lowest common > denominator and to surround himself with like kind. As a > consequence, is has been slow to do anything that makes any sense, > and unfortunately there are several deaths out there that document > this. He has had to be beaten into submission in court or by his > "peers" or by the example of the real pros in this game for what > little concessions to common sense he has made. Read: whilst I am sure that the subject (TM) has quite possibly changed his dive style and what he teaches, to some significant degree, he simply does not, or fails to understand, that technique evolves, regardless of the medium and his technique is, shall we say, suspect in the knowledge gained by today's world. More importantly, he prefers not to change technique if it has been developed by another party. Not a good thing. > In my opinion, formulated over 13 years of knowing this guy, he is > motivated by nothing but the buck. When I first met him he was > teaching deep air and "deco" diving, at the time what he considered > to be "tech", and he and the biggest collection of losers on the > planet started IANTD a few years later, well after the pros in cave > diving were using techniques he still does not grasp, leaving > IANTD speaking for itself as a mediocre collection of > compromises to stupidity, being only displaced in the bottom of the > barrel" category by TDI. Read: he started an agency to train divers. He might have been motivated by the notion that he was doing good. After all, there was no other there to teach this "technical" stuff. Whether he did so for only those reasons is, quite possibly, doubtful. Whether that agency teaches proper technique is, quite possibly, doubtful. > Now the easy buck comes from teaching electronic rebreathers > to people who don't have any reason to dive rebreathers as a > "higher order" certifications for the badge collectors and a 12 inch > dick for the pussies, and the concepts learned from his organization > are what make up the accident reports that you see so many of. Read: It may be that TM is actually into making a buck. There's nothing wrong with that as such, but surely if its a teaching medium, you'd better GET IT RIGHT. Me? I don't think he has, not remotely. > Mouth thinks these devices are some great thing. Funny, I hold the > cave diving distance record on rebreather along with my friend > Jarrod Jablonski, and I think rebreathers represent nothing but risk > and should only be used for a very good reason like for the dives > we do. I never dive mine without a good reason, and I never dive > mine without an all pro buddy like JJ. Notice that all of the deaths > have no reason to dive, and the dead are all either solo or diving > with complete idiots whose incompetence and fear ( read IANTD > training ) leaves them without a solution. The concepts and > principles taught in IANTD are the antithesis of DIR , and they > have the track record to prove it. Read: I know better. PERIOD. I also seriously dislike the way these guys cross the patch where I do actually KNOW better. So what is TM doing teaching this stuff? > Where have I been for the last 25 years? Exploring all the caves > that the know it alls like you and the rest of the "mouths" in the > cave "community" could not touch if they were dry and had a > Disney ride running through them. I also am not in the dive > business - I have a real life - , was only in the Navy due to the Viet > Nam War, and since then have never met any more stupid bunch of > morons even when I played football with pure animals, and their > diving is complete bullshit. I obviously was not there as a diver or > any other kind of sleddog. How's that? Read: Been there, done that, paid my dues, like to think I know better. > Let's make an obvious point here: who has all the records and what > organizations and people are involved in that, and why do they not > have the death toll and constant accidents, and why do they do all > the diving and why do they come up with all the leading edge in > this game? Tell me again who Tom Mount is, I still don't see > anything but bullshit. Read: Hey, just look at the WKPP. Looks like we're doing SOMETHING right. Is TM? Compare the fatalities! Cheers, Christian PS Personal history: I do not dive DIR (wish I did, don't). Been here mostly lurking for the odd year, basically believe in Trey's philosophy and quite certainly believe in his passion. Its sad that newcomers, without researching it or at least going to the archives, so often come out the way they do. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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