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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0FF99.99B48E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, Mount has nothing to say to me about diving that would not result in everyone rolling on the floor laughing - he only deals in personal bullshit. His little IANTD genius Garrett used to teach open water while diving the Inspiration. Maybe mouth can get on here and tell us why this is a good idea without coming off as the dyslexic, malapropic, lying idiot that he so clearly is. The Wienberg story sounds like hypoxia which made the poor guy unable to deal with simple buoyancy. The guy was a dive instructor - clearly he was impaired or he would have no problem executing this dive. Unfortunately for him ( but fortunately for diving ) he was with a complete stroke who had no clue, and watched him struggle in a hypoxic or impaired state until he either had a heart attack or screwed himself up trying to get out of the water. His stroke buddy not only never helped him or understood what the problem was and proudly admits it , she then stayed for another hour of deco on a profile that needed about five minutes total. This is why we do not let people like this near us in the water. This is why Rule Number One is so critical, and why when dealing in rebreathers of any kind, you must have a total buddy focus. IANTD's rebreather guru, Richie Pyle, who is cc'd here, is a big proponent of solo diving, and most of these rb guys are into a big macho thing about taking care of themselves. This is why so many die, including that recent death of another moron and big mouth , "Gessam", a couple of weeks ago - another guy, who like Wineberg, spent a great deal of time telling me how wrong I am and how right all of the dead people are. In fact , most of these clowns keep telling me I do not know anything about rebreathers even though I hold the worlds record for distance in a cave on them and do longer bottom times than these guys do cumulative in months of diving, and I do it at will, deco out in record time, and have yet to have a problem, and of course, I am still alive and well - soon I will not have anyone to argue with if these guys keep it up. I am so glad we do not have to tolerate of deal with any of these people or their thinking in WKPP , GUE or any diving that I personally do. Luckily there are DIR groups everywhere and none of us have to suffer mouth and his bullshit, or the results of his bullshit, or the bullshit of his hoards of "experts" who all have some fingers in the pot here. -----Original Message----- From: Sean T. Stevenson [mailto:ststev@un*.co*] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:22 PM To: techdiver@aquanaut.com; Tom Mount Cc: Leon S; Richard Pyle Subject: Re: Reply to G and Garett acident report Tom, it seems somewhat hypocritical of you to berate George for his vocal IANTD bashing, and then proceed to attack him personally on a public forum. I would think that someone in your position would be more inclined to take the higher ground. Obviously I am mistaken. With regard to the report, I have a few questions: 1) What dive objective necessitated 300 feet for only five minutes? Were they recovering something? 2) Was the exhaust valve on Garrett's drysuit examined? 3) Was there any pre-dive indication of mental distraction? For someone with that much "experience", it seems odd that simple reactive procedures, such as disconnecting the inflator, were not followed. My impression is that the only way a runaway ascent such as that could happen is complete apathy on Garrett's part, but due to what? I also think that in-water recompression might likely have prevented his death, considering the amount of time spent on surface oxygen while waiting for the ambulance. I suspect Richard Pyle will agree. If he had enough gas, and was confident in the CCR unit, why would he choose to sit and bubble instead of taking action to prevent the onset of serious DCS symptoms? Just speculating... -Sean --Original Message Text--- From: Tom Mount Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:05:28 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> To: "Joseph Dituri" <dive4kix@ha*.rr*.co*>; "William J Turbeville II" <bturbo@ga*.ne*> Cc: "iantdhq" <iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Fw: Weinberg is dead > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > To: "Scott" <scottk@nw*.co*>; "Paul Braunbehrens" > <Bakalite@ba*.co*>; "Robert M. Carmichael" <halcyon@ha*.ne*>; > "Jj@Gu*.Co*" <jj@gu*.co*>; "Quest@Gu*. Com" <quest@gu*.co*>; "Trey" > <trey@ne*.co*> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:49 AM > Subject: Re: Weinberg is dead > > > > First it is not an IANTD diving accident it is a diving accident not related to iANTD nor any training agency Trey Henery Kendahl had absobuletly nothing to do with IANTD he > is > > not a member and not trained by IANTD You tend to see any accident and say IANTD is responsible regradless of the circumstance or if they had any involvement with IANTD Trey you are the most cold hearted and rude human being I have ever met. You have no respect for anyone and no feelings for those who die nor their families or loved ones. You have promoted more hatred and cultism behaviour than anyone in the history of diving. Historically the people in the community have overall tried to work together, even through minor differences they may have had. You on the other hand just deal in hate and personal control. You are one sick human being I had someone write me what is most likely a accurate account about you considering your known past addictions After this is a accident report on Garrett for those who really are interested if you are just a George puppett skip over it because the truth may hurt you Read below good description of George from a professional > Tom, > > I have been reading your struggles with George Irvine over the past > while. I think from reading George Irvine post's on Dirquest and also on > lists where he pops up once in a while, that he has a disorder ... > obviously. I think to pin point it however it would be called bipolar > disorder. This is very common with alcoholics or former drug abusers. My > buddy down in Florida told me he has gone out > diving with Irvine and observed characteristics that he relayed back to me > that would definitely put George in the symptom category of this serious > problem. There are medications that people with this character misalignment > are prescribed. > I might be full of it but if you research Manic depressive, bipolar > disorder or alcoholic bipolar disorder you will definitely see what I am > talking about. I may be full of it but keep it in mind. > George it really does sound like you For those interested please read below > > Accident Report in Regard to Garrets Death > > This is one of the rare times we have a detailed accident report to > review: > > Saturday June 23, 19:05, Garrett and Claudia started a dive to 300 feet at > > Mukilteo, WA. The dive included a swim of 15 minutes down a gradual slope > to > > the planned 300-foot depth where 5 minutes were spent. The dive was > planned > > with software dive tables. Both knew the dive site very well. > > Both were diving their inspiration units that had passed all pre-dive > > checks. Onboard tanks were full (8/60 and O2), scrubber fresh (see below). > > Also, they were carrying an Al80 (10/50) and an Al40 (O2) as bailout each, > > equipped with inflator hoses, gauges, and second stage. > > From descent to ascent, including the deep stops, everything went smoothly > > like usual. > > After leaving the 100 ft stop to 60 feet (20 ft/min) Garrett started to > > display he was having a problem. > > The Inspiration was functioning correctly and there were no PO2 problems, > > nor other CCR related problems. The after-market ADV was disengaged as it > > always was on ascent. No alarms, no malfunctions were taking place. > > Claudia: Starting at 100 feet, he was suddenly behind me, not next to me > or > > slightly in front. I looked back and saw him getting rid of occasional > water > > in the breathing hose (normal, although he usually did not do it on > ascent, > > rather at the stop). He seemed to be struggling slightly with 'something'. > > (When someone had problems of any kind, they would stop and the buddy > would > > stop as well. In this case, although slightly slower, Garrett did not > stop, > > and no other communication indicated a serious problem, yet.) > > Claudia: Then, arrived at the 60 ft stop, the communication was strange to > > non-existent. All I understood, other than that he was getting in more and > > more distress, was that his dry suit was not as quickly deflated. He > showed > > me that with opening the wrist seal slightly and bubbles coming out. > Because > > of the warm neck hood, it's very hard to open the neck seal that way, and > > Garrett chose not to. " > > Garrett presented more problems with buoyancy and a look of distress, and > > surprise. After we had spent some time trying to stop the ascent by > > releasing gas and swimming down - I could not get to the dry suit inflator > > to detach it (although nothing indicated a runaway inflator) and worked on > > the BC inflator - Garrett stopped kicking and continued to the surface. He > > was just floating up, looking down to me. That look said that he knew what > > was going to happen, and I did too." > > (The longest deco in my life (60 minutes according to tables), on top a > > stomach barotrauma that made breathing very hard.) > > Comment: This is what we actually talked about with Leon yesterday > > afternoon: Gary never really liked his deflator that does not have a rest > > when fully opened, and together with the undergarment, it seemed difficult > > to release the Argon in a timely manner. However, I have never seen him > > having problems before. > > > > According to a person at the surface that came to help, Garrett went to > the > > boat ramp and climbed out of the water. He then collapsed on the boat > ramp, > > and the guy pulled him from the ramp up. > > > > Garrett said something about his dry suit to this person. He had him call > > 911, told him about his buddy doing deco and to take care of her, and had > > him help set up everything to breathe O2 until the ambulance would arrive. > > He breathed oxygen until his onboard O2 was empty, and his stage / bailout > > O2 to 1700 psi by the time the ambulance arrived to pick him up. > > (Throughout the dive an ordeal. There was no alarm or even 'sanity break' > at > > any time. The scrubber was okay. Mine was new, his had 54 minutes on prior > > to the dive.) > > (Tom's comment) I think it is important that he made a conscious decision > > not to descend back to his stop in the water and Garrett was fully aware > of > > the problems with an explosive decompression, so it would lead one to > think > > other factors many be involved. He also had adequate OC gas to do a deco > > procedure, had OC gas been needed. > > Claudia: We had talked about situations like that before and had he been > > able to, he would have resumed his deco after fixing whatever problem he > > had. I did not like the idea of leaving him alone when we discussed it, > but > > understand that otherwise we both would have been killed, and he never > > wanted that to happen. In a similar situation, knowing that we were close > to > > the boat ramp on a Saturday evening with many people around, I would have > > expected for him to stay down as well. A hard decision I never wanted to > > have to make. > > At the hospital where he also commented about his dry suit and then fell > > unconscious after 5 minutes, due to his condition (good ECG at first, but > a > > drop to 40 over 20) he was treated for a heart attack (while explosive DSC > > is life threatening, it was secondary to the seriousness of the heart > attack > > in the judgment of the attending physicians, and it is difficult if not > > impossible to fully address the heart condition while in a chamber) for 5 > > hours prior to being placed in the chamber. 20 minutes into the chamber > > treatment Garrett arrested and died. > > Tom: Garrett was a really good friend and his loss saddens me greatly. He > > had a tremendous amount of time on the inspiration (460 hours plus) and > was > > the most active instructor we have had on the west coast. And maybe the > most > > active inspiration instructor in the USA. We have shared many dives, deep > > dives and recently he and Claudia went on a Blue Hole trip with several > > others and myself. He was extremely competent and safety orientated. In > fact > > during a training program when he was doing his IT and Martin was doing > his > > instructors and Vicki her diver rating on the inspiration we hammered out > > sequencing. On the skills that are now taught in the IANTD Inspiration > > course. So he has contributed very much to our training programs and to > > rebreather diving safety overall. > > > > Patti, IANTD and I wish for Garrett the happiest after life possible and > > know his energy will always be with those he cared for. > > > > From everything from observations to the medical reaction and diagnosis at > > he hospital it would have lead one to accept that Garrett had a heart > > attack. > > > > True without the complication of an explosive decompression he may have > had > > a higher probability of surviving. > > > > BUT after his body was reviewed by the ME the following was found > > > > Claudia: According to the examiner, no enzymes could be built within the > > time frame of 5-6 'alive' hours that would let trace a heart attack, and > > they were not found. The final report may be shared with me in about 6-8 > > weeks. This morning, two friends of ours, and students of Garrett's, Ken > > Rymal and Dave Hancock, and I were explaining the gear to the examiners to > > shed some light for them on the subject. We tested the unit in front of > > them, and everything worked properly. > > > > Garrett and I were to get married 5 July, and had many good plans for > > training and service, and just going diving all over the place. After > > talking to Leon that afternoon, we produced even more ideas while driving > > from the lunch place up North to Mukilteo. Except for the harsh and unfair > > end, it was one of, of not the happiest weekend we had ever spent. > > > > Tom: questions that remain: > > 1. What caused Garret to make the decision not to solve the problem in > water > > (maybe due to physiological stress if in fact he was having a physical > > problem as diagosed .by the doctors at the hosiptal and thus there > decision > > not to put him in the chamber ) > > 2. Why once on the surface he elected not to return to the stops after > > dealing with any other problems (again suggesting there was something else > > taking place) > > 3. Why was he not put in the chamber earlier, (as stated by the attending > > Doctor a heart attack but according to the ME no evidence of a heart > attack > > > > So we may or may not discover the answers to these as well as what if any > > role a problem with the dry suit may or may not have had on this accident. > > > > We do know it was not CCR related. And it appears that there was a > > physiological problem taking place that influenced Garrett to allow > himself > > to go to the surface and to elect not to return to decompression. > > It is sad that he was not placed in the chamber immediately as that would > > have definitely increased the probability of his survival of the > > decompression issue. But the attending doctors (s) had to make a decision > > based on what they perceived to be most life threatening. > > > > So we are still left with many questions > > > > We do know Garrett was extremely competent as a diver and highly > experienced > > on the inspiration and that the inspiration was functioning throughout > the > > dive and post dive checks on it at the ME office > > > > Respectfully > > Claudia Milz and Tom Mount > > From Leon Scamahorn > > I am at a loss. Garrett, Claudia, and I had just finished having lunch > and > > talking about the Meg. I was looking forward to working with Garrett and > > diving with him and Claudia. > > > > I wish everyone to know that I believe Garrett was a fine instructor and > > probably the best one and diver in the country on the Inspiration. I will > > feel his loss, and I think that we all will feel his loss in the diving > > industry. He has been a positive influence to all those that understood > him. > > > > Claudia, you have my best wishes. > > > > Sincerely, > > Leon Scamahorn > > CEO Innerspace Systems Corp. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*> > > To: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; "Quest@Gu*. Com" > > <quest@gu*.co*>; "Jj@Gu*.Co*" <jj@gu*.co*>; "Robert M. Carmichael" > > <halcyon@ha*.ne*>; "Paul Braunbehrens" <Bakalite@ba*.co*>; > "Scott" > > <scottk@nw*.co*> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:01 PM > > Subject: RE: Weinberg is dead > > > > > > > Tom, the only thing that could save more lives than that piece of shit > > dying > > > would be you retiring. I really hope you do not think anyone believes a > > word > > > that comes out of your mouth with regard to IANTD accidents. > > > > > > Why don't you make up another "stroke" shirt with a list of dead IANTD > > > instructors and students on the back? > > > > > > Tell us which it is , Tom, was the cigarette smoking physical slob > > Weinberg > > > unfit to teach diving, or did he go hypoxic shallow while diving with a > > > complete stroke who did not even notice? Either way, you are wrong. > > > > > > Tell us about the "heart attack" in the Netherlands during an IANTD deep > > air > > > course? Tell us again about Henry Kendall's heart attack ( ME got you > guys > > > there, with the help of our buddy at the Miami Herald). We can start > doing > > > that for all your "heart attacks", Tom. Freedom of Information Act. > > > > > > The inspiration , the CIs , the CCR and all the rest have killed way too > > > many people, TOm, and the only persons benefiting are you and your > > > "instructors" who get paid to "teach" these things. I realize this is > even > > > more lucrative than deep air, but you are not fooling anyone at all. You > > are > > > the lowest form of parasite on this planet, and before you die, everyone > > > will recognize that , and hopefully you will die broke and with a > severely > > > guilty conscience for your lying, deceit, anything for a buck attitude > and > > > for fighting anyone and anything the ever made any sense. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tom Mount [mailto:TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:33 AM > > > To: Quest@Gu*. Com; Jj@Gu*.Co*; Robert M. Carmichael; Trey; Paul > > > Braunbehrens; Scott > > > Subject: Re: Weinberg is dead > > > > > > > > > Scott > > > You are a cold total asshole, > > > > > > And Trey the total deaths by divers who used inspirations is 12 > > > > > > > > > Also Garrett did not die due to a CCR problem he had an actual heart > > attack > > > for real . But then facts do not matter to you. The rebreather was > working > > > correctly throughout the dive as verified by his dive buddy > > > > > > Tom. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Scott" <scottk@nw*.co*> > > > To: "Paul Braunbehrens" <Bakalite@ba*.co*>; "Trey" > <trey@ne*.co*>; > > > "Robert M. Carmichael" <halcyon@ha*.ne*>; "Jj@Gu*.Co*" <jj@gu*.co*>; > > > "Quest@Gu*. Com" <quest@gu*.co*> > > > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 8:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: Weinberg is dead > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to think of something good or nice to say, but I guess > > that's > > > > not my place. The only thing I feel right now is > > > > a kind of numb anger. > > > > > > > > I took two courses from Weinberg almost 3 years ago. I am sorry he > died, > > > but > > > > I am not surprised nor shattered. > > > > Unfortunate, but entirely predictable. The pisser is it is so easily > > > > avoidable. But ego and control get in the way. > > > > He and his "methods" drove me straight to DIR. > > > > > > > > His arrogance at times was frightening, and I heard him say on more > than > > > one > > > > occasion when a diver died: > > > > "Darwin was right." Many times I heard him call people idiots, often > > > > hollering and loud in front of others. > > > > He was loud, rude and expensive. > > > > > > > > People need to wake up and smell the coffee. > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > "Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of > > > thine > > > > eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? > > > > Matthew 7:4 > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Paul Braunbehrens" <Bakalite@ba*.co*> > > > > To: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>; "Scott" <scottk@nw*.co*>; "Robert M. > > > > Carmichael" <halcyon@ha*.ne*>; "Jj@Gu*.Co*" <jj@gu*.co*>; > > "Quest@Gu*. > > > > Com" <quest@gu*.co*> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 4:44 PM > > > > Subject: RE: Weinberg is dead > > > > > > > > > > > > > That makes what, 19 now on the inspiration? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trey wrote: > > > > > ~ > > > > > >One more moron that I do not have to argue with . Now, does anyone > > want > > > > to > > > > > >tell me I am wrong when I keep being so right? Wienberg was one of > > the > > > > worst > > > > > >influences ever in diving. > > > > > > > > > > > >These people are not only the worst strokes, they are like the guys > > in > > > > the > > > > > >last Indiana Jones movie who keep getting their heads cut off. > > > > > > > > > > > >Funny how my most outspoken enemies keep ending up dead, only I am > > not > > > > like > > > > > >Clinton, I really do wait for them to just kill themselves, and I > do > > > not > > > > > >even have to move them to the park bench. > > > > > > > > > > > >One more argument I just won: 6-love, golden set. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >From: Scott [mailto:scottk@nw*.co*] > > > > > >Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:06 PM > > > > > >To: Trey; Robert M. Carmichael; Jj@Gu*.Co* > > > > > >Subject: Weinberg is dead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Don't know if you guys heard, but Weinberg died diving his > > Inspiration > > > > with > > > > > >Claudia Milz last friday. > > > > > > > > > > > >They are calling it a heart attack. > > > > > > > > > > > >Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Paul B. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Mount CEO IANTD World HQ www.iantd.com TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne* ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0FF99.99B48E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D250085909-28062001>Sean, Mount has nothing to say to me = about diving=20 that would not result in everyone rolling on the floor laughing - he = only deals=20 in personal bullshit. His little IANTD genius Garrett used to teach open = water=20 while diving the Inspiration. Maybe mouth can get on here and = tell us why=20 this is a good idea without coming off as the dyslexic, malapropic, = lying idiot=20 that he so clearly is.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D250085909-28062001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN = class=3D250085909-28062001>The=20 Wienberg story sounds like hypoxia which made the poor guy unable = to deal=20 with simple buoyancy. The guy was a dive instructor - clearly he was = impaired or=20 he would have no problem executing this dive. Unfortunately for him ( = but=20 fortunately for diving ) he was with a complete stroke who had no clue, = and=20 watched him struggle in a hypoxic or impaired state until he either had = a heart=20 attack or screwed himself up trying to get out of the water. His stroke = buddy=20 not only never helped him or understood what the problem was and proudly = admits=20 it , she then stayed for another hour of deco on a profile that needed = about=20 five minutes total. This is why we do not let people like this near us = in the=20 water.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D250085909-28062001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN = class=3D250085909-28062001>This=20 is why Rule Number One is so critical, and why when dealing in = rebreathers of=20 any kind, you must have a total buddy focus. IANTD's rebreather guru, = Richie=20 Pyle, who is cc'd here, is a big proponent of solo diving, and most of = these rb=20 guys are into a big macho thing about taking care of themselves. This is = why so=20 many die, including that recent death of another moron and big mouth , = "Gessam",=20 a couple of weeks ago - another guy, who like Wineberg, spent a great = deal of=20 time telling me how wrong I am and how right all of the dead people are. = In fact=20 , most of these clowns keep telling me I do not know anything about = rebreathers=20 even though I hold the worlds record for distance in a cave on them and = do=20 longer bottom times than these guys do cumulative in months of diving, = and I do=20 it at will, deco out in record time, and have yet to have a problem, and = of=20 course, I am still alive and well - soon I will not have anyone to argue = with if=20 these guys keep it up.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D250085909-28062001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN = class=3D250085909-28062001>I am=20 so glad we do not have to tolerate of deal with any of these people or = their=20 thinking in WKPP , GUE or any diving that I personally do. Luckily there = are DIR=20 groups everywhere and none of us have to suffer mouth and his bullshit, = or the=20 results of his bullshit, or the bullshit of his hoards of "experts" who = all have=20 some fingers in the pot here.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Sean T. Stevenson=20 [mailto:ststev@un*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 27, 2001 = 5:22=20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> techdiver@aquanaut.com; Tom Mount<BR><B>Cc:</B> Leon = S;=20 Richard Pyle<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Reply to G and Garett acident=20 report<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" = DEFAULT=3D"FACE"><FONT=20 size=3D1 DEFAULT=3D"SIZE" POINTSIZE=3D"8">Tom, it seems somewhat = hypocritical of you=20 to berate George for his vocal IANTD bashing, and then proceed to = attack him=20 personally on a public forum. I would think that someone in your = position=20 would be more inclined to take the higher ground. Obviously I am=20 mistaken.<BR><BR>With regard to the report, I have a few = questions:<BR><BR>1)=20 What dive objective necessitated 300 feet for only five minutes? Were = they=20 recovering something?<BR><BR>2) Was the exhaust valve on Garrett's = drysuit=20 examined?<BR><BR>3) Was there any pre-dive indication of mental = distraction?=20 For someone with that much "experience", it seems odd that simple = reactive=20 procedures, such as disconnecting the inflator, were not = followed.<BR><BR>My=20 impression is that the only way a runaway ascent such as that could = happen is=20 complete apathy on Garrett's part, but due to what?<BR><BR>I also = think that=20 in-water recompression might likely have prevented his death, = considering the=20 amount of time spent on surface oxygen while waiting for the = ambulance. I=20 suspect Richard Pyle will agree. If he had enough gas, and was = confident in=20 the CCR unit, why would he choose to sit and bubble instead of taking = action=20 to prevent the onset of serious DCS symptoms?<BR><BR>Just=20 speculating...<BR><BR>-Sean<BR><BR><BR>--Original Message=20 Text---<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Mount<BR><B>Date:</B> Wed, 27 Jun 2001 = 15:05:28=20 -0400<BR><BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2 = POINTSIZE=3D"10"><BR>----- Original=20 Message ----- From: "Tom Mount" <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>><BR>To: "Joseph Dituri" <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>dive4kix@ha*.rr*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>; "William J Turbeville II" <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>bturbo@ga*.ne*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>><BR>Cc: "iantdhq" <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>><BR>Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:03=20 PM<BR>Subject: Fw: Weinberg is dead<BR><BR><BR><BR>> <BR>> ----- = Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Tom Mount" <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>><BR>> To: "Scott" <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>scottk@nw*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>; "Paul Braunbehrens"<BR>> <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>Bakalite@ba*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>; "Robert M. Carmichael" <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>halcyon@ha*.ne*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>;<BR>> "<FONT = color=3D#0000ff><U>Jj@Gu*.Co*<FONT=20 color=3D#000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>" <<FONT = color=3D#0000ff><U>jj@gu*.co*<FONT=20 color=3D#000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>; "<FONT = color=3D#0000ff><U>Quest@Gu*<FONT=20 color=3D#000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>. Com" <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>quest@gu*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000 = DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>;=20 "Trey"<BR>> <<FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>trey@ne*.co*<FONT = color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>><BR>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 = 11:49=20 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: Weinberg is dead<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> = > First=20 it is not an IANTD diving accident it is a diving accident not related = to=20 iANTD nor any training agency<BR><BR>Trey Henery Kendahl had = absobuletly=20 nothing to do with IANTD he<BR>> is<BR>> > not a member and = not=20 trained by IANTD<BR><BR>You tend to see any accident and say IANTD is=20 responsible regradless of the circumstance or if they had any = involvement with=20 IANTD<BR><BR>Trey you are the most cold hearted and rude human being I = have=20 ever met. You have no respect for anyone and no feelings for those who = die nor=20 their families or loved ones. You have promoted more hatred and = cultism=20 behaviour than anyone in the history of diving. Historically the = people in the=20 community have overall tried to work together, even through minor = differences=20 they may have had. You on the other hand just deal in hate and = personal=20 control. You are one sick human being<BR><BR>I had someone write me = what is=20 most likely a accurate account about you considering your known past=20 addictions<BR><BR>After this is a accident report on Garrett for those = who=20 really are interested if you are just a George puppett skip over it = because=20 the truth may hurt you<BR><BR>Read below good description of George = from a=20 professional <BR>> Tom,<BR>><BR>> I have been reading your = struggles=20 with George Irvine over the past<BR>> while. I think from reading = George=20 Irvine post's on Dirquest and also on<BR>> lists where he pops up = once in a=20 while, that he has a disorder ...<BR>> obviously. I think to pin = point it=20 however it would be called bipolar<BR>> disorder. This is very = common with=20 alcoholics or former drug abusers. My<BR>> buddy down in Florida = told me he=20 has gone out<BR>> diving with Irvine and observed characteristics = that he=20 relayed back to me<BR>> that would definitely put George in the = symptom=20 category of this serious<BR>> problem. There are medications that = people=20 with this character<BR>misalignment<BR>> are prescribed.<BR>> I = might be=20 full of it but if you research Manic depressive, bipolar<BR>> = disorder or=20 alcoholic bipolar disorder you will definitely see what I am<BR>> = talking=20 about. I may be full of it but keep it in mind.<BR>><BR>George it = really=20 does sound like you<BR><BR>For those interested please read = below<BR><BR>>=20 > Accident Report in Regard to Garrets Death<BR>> > This is = one of=20 the rare times we have a detailed accident report to<BR>> = review:<BR>>=20 > Saturday June 23, 19:05, Garrett and Claudia started a dive to = 300 feet=20 at<BR>> > Mukilteo, WA. The dive included a swim of 15 minutes = down a=20 gradual slope<BR>> to<BR>> > the planned 300-foot depth where = 5=20 minutes were spent. The dive was<BR>> planned<BR>> > with = software=20 dive tables. Both knew the dive site very well.<BR>> > Both were = diving=20 their inspiration units that had passed all pre-dive<BR>> > = checks.=20 Onboard tanks were full (8/60 and O2), scrubber fresh (see = below).<BR>>=20 > Also, they were carrying an Al80 (10/50) and an Al40 (O2) as = bailout=20 each,<BR>> > equipped with inflator hoses, gauges, and second=20 stage.<BR>> > From descent to ascent, including the deep stops,=20 everything went smoothly<BR>> > like usual.<BR>> > After = leaving=20 the 100 ft stop to 60 feet (20 ft/min) Garrett started to<BR>> > = display=20 he was having a problem.<BR>> > The Inspiration was functioning=20 correctly and there were no PO2 problems,<BR>> > nor other CCR = related=20 problems. The after-market ADV was disengaged as it<BR>> > = always was on=20 ascent. No alarms, no malfunctions were taking place.<BR>> > = Claudia:=20 Starting at 100 feet, he was suddenly behind me, not next to = me<BR>>=20 or<BR>> > slightly in front. I looked back and saw him getting = rid of=20 occasional<BR>> water<BR>> > in the breathing hose (normal, = although=20 he usually did not do it on<BR>> ascent,<BR>> > rather at the = stop).=20 He seemed to be struggling slightly with 'something'.<BR>> > = (When=20 someone had problems of any kind, they would stop and the = buddy<BR>>=20 would<BR>> > stop as well. In this case, although slightly = slower,=20 Garrett did not<BR>> stop,<BR>> > and no other communication=20 indicated a serious problem, yet.)<BR>> > Claudia: Then, arrived = at the=20 60 ft stop, the communication was strange to<BR>> > = non-existent. All I=20 understood, other than that he was getting in more and<BR>> > = more=20 distress, was that his dry suit was not as quickly deflated. = He<BR>>=20 showed<BR>> > me that with opening the wrist seal slightly and = bubbles=20 coming out.<BR>> Because<BR>> > of the warm neck hood, it's = very hard=20 to open the neck seal that way, and<BR>> > Garrett chose not to. = "<BR>> > Garrett presented more problems with buoyancy and a = look of=20 distress, and<BR>> > surprise. After we had spent some time = trying to=20 stop the ascent by<BR>> > releasing gas and swimming down - I = could not=20 get to the dry suit inflator<BR>> > to detach it (although = nothing=20 indicated a runaway inflator) and worked on<BR>> > the BC = inflator -=20 Garrett stopped kicking and continued to the surface. He<BR>> > = was just=20 floating up, looking down to me. That look said that he knew = what<BR>> >=20 was going to happen, and I did too."<BR>> > (The longest deco in = my life=20 (60 minutes according to tables), on top a<BR>> > stomach = barotrauma=20 that made breathing very hard.)<BR>> > Comment: This is what we = actually=20 talked about with Leon yesterday<BR>> > afternoon: Gary never = really=20 liked his deflator that does not have a rest<BR>> > when fully = opened,=20 and together with the undergarment, it seemed difficult<BR>> > = to=20 release the Argon in a timely manner. However, I have never seen = him<BR>>=20 > having problems before.<BR>> ><BR>> > According to a = person=20 at the surface that came to help, Garrett went to<BR>> the<BR>> = >=20 boat ramp and climbed out of the water. He then collapsed on the = boat<BR>>=20 ramp,<BR>> > and the guy pulled him from the ramp up.<BR>>=20 ><BR>> > Garrett said something about his dry suit to this = person. He=20 had him call<BR>> > 911, told him about his buddy doing deco and = to take=20 care of her, and had<BR>> > him help set up everything to = breathe O2=20 until the ambulance would arrive.<BR>> > He breathed oxygen = until his=20 onboard O2 was empty, and his stage / bailout<BR>> > O2 to 1700 = psi by=20 the time the ambulance arrived to pick him up.<BR>> > = (Throughout the=20 dive an ordeal. There was no alarm or even 'sanity break'<BR>> = at<BR>>=20 > any time. The scrubber was okay. Mine was new, his had 54 minutes = on=20 prior<BR>> > to the dive.)<BR>> > (Tom's comment) I think = it is=20 important that he made a conscious decision<BR>> > not to = descend back=20 to his stop in the water and Garrett was fully aware<BR>> = of<BR>> >=20 the problems with an explosive decompression, so it would lead one = to<BR>>=20 think<BR>> > other factors many be involved. He also had = adequate OC gas=20 to do a deco<BR>> > procedure, had OC gas been needed.<BR>> = >=20 Claudia: We had talked about situations like that before and had he=20 been<BR>> > able to, he would have resumed his deco after fixing = whatever problem he<BR>> > had. I did not like the idea of = leaving him=20 alone when we discussed it,<BR>> but<BR>> > understand that = otherwise=20 we both would have been killed, and he never<BR>> > wanted that = to=20 happen. In a similar situation, knowing that we were close<BR>> = to<BR>>=20 > the boat ramp on a Saturday evening with many people around, I = would=20 have<BR>> > expected for him to stay down as well. A hard = decision I=20 never wanted to<BR>> > have to make.<BR>> > At the = hospital where=20 he also commented about his dry suit and then fell<BR>> > = unconscious=20 after 5 minutes, due to his condition (good ECG at first, but<BR>>=20 a<BR>> > drop to 40 over 20) he was treated for a heart attack = (while=20 explosive DSC<BR>> > is life threatening, it was secondary to = the=20 seriousness of the heart<BR>> attack<BR>> > in the judgment = of the=20 attending physicians, and it is difficult if not<BR>> > = impossible to=20 fully address the heart condition while in a chamber) for 5<BR>> = > hours=20 prior to being placed in the chamber. 20 minutes into the = chamber<BR>> >=20 treatment Garrett arrested and died.<BR>> > Tom: Garrett was a = really=20 good friend and his loss saddens me greatly. He<BR>> > had a = tremendous=20 amount of time on the inspiration (460 hours plus) and<BR>> = was<BR>>=20 > the most active instructor we have had on the west coast. And = maybe=20 the<BR>> most<BR>> > active inspiration instructor in the = USA. We=20 have shared many dives, deep<BR>> > dives and recently he and = Claudia=20 went on a Blue Hole trip with several<BR>> > others and myself. = He was=20 extremely competent and safety orientated. In<BR>> fact<BR>> = > during=20 a training program when he was doing his IT and Martin was = doing<BR>>=20 his<BR>> > instructors and Vicki her diver rating on the = inspiration we=20 hammered out<BR>> > sequencing. On the skills that are now = taught in the=20 IANTD Inspiration<BR>> > course. So he has contributed very much = to our=20 training programs and to<BR>> > rebreather diving safety=20 overall.<BR>> ><BR>> > Patti, IANTD and I wish for Garrett = the=20 happiest after life possible and<BR>> > know his energy will = always be=20 with those he cared for.<BR>> ><BR>> > From everything = from=20 observations to the medical reaction and diagnosis at<BR>> > he = hospital=20 it would have lead one to accept that Garrett had a heart<BR>> > = attack.<BR>> ><BR>> > True without the complication of an=20 explosive decompression he may have<BR>> had<BR>> > a higher=20 probability of surviving.<BR>> ><BR>> > BUT after his body = was=20 reviewed by the ME the following was found<BR>> ><BR>> > = Claudia:=20 According to the examiner, no enzymes could be built within = the<BR>> >=20 time frame of 5-6 'alive' hours that would let trace a heart attack,=20 and<BR>> > they were not found. The final report may be shared = with me=20 in about 6-8<BR>> > weeks. This morning, two friends of ours, = and=20 students of Garrett's, Ken<BR>> > Rymal and Dave Hancock, and I = were=20 explaining the gear to the examiners to<BR>> > shed some light = for them=20 on the subject. We tested the unit in front of<BR>> > them, and=20 everything worked properly.<BR>> ><BR>> > Garrett and I = were to=20 get married 5 July, and had many good plans for<BR>> > training = and=20 service, and just going diving all over the place. After<BR>> > = talking=20 to Leon that afternoon, we produced even more ideas while = driving<BR>> >=20 from the lunch place up North to Mukilteo. Except for the harsh and=20 unfair<BR>> > end, it was one of, of not the happiest weekend we = had=20 ever spent.<BR>> ><BR>> > Tom: questions that = remain:<BR>> >=20 1. What caused Garret to make the decision not to solve the problem = in<BR>>=20 water<BR>> > (maybe due to physiological stress if in fact he = was having=20 a physical<BR>> > problem as diagosed .by the doctors at the = hosiptal=20 and thus there<BR>> decision<BR>> > not to put him in the = chamber=20 )<BR>> > 2. Why once on the surface he elected not to return to = the=20 stops after<BR>> > dealing with any other problems (again = suggesting=20 there was something else<BR>> > taking place)<BR>> > 3. = Why was he=20 not put in the chamber earlier, (as stated by the attending<BR>> = >=20 Doctor a heart attack but according to the ME no evidence of a = heart<BR>>=20 attack<BR>> ><BR>> > So we may or may not discover the = answers to=20 these as well as what if any<BR>> > role a problem with the dry = suit may=20 or may not have had on this accident.<BR>> ><BR>> > We do = know it=20 was not CCR related. And it appears that there was a<BR>> >=20 physiological problem taking place that influenced Garrett to = allow<BR>>=20 himself<BR>> > to go to the surface and to elect not to return = to=20 decompression.<BR>> > It is sad that he was not placed in the = chamber=20 immediately as that would<BR>> > have definitely increased the=20 probability of his survival of the<BR>> > decompression issue. = But the=20 attending doctors (s) had to make a decision<BR>> > based on = what they=20 perceived to be most life threatening.<BR>> ><BR>> > So we = are=20 still left with many questions<BR>> ><BR>> > We do know = Garrett=20 was extremely competent as a diver and highly<BR>> = experienced<BR>> >=20 on the inspiration and that the inspiration was functioning = throughout<BR>>=20 the<BR>> > dive and post dive checks on it at the ME = office<BR>>=20 ><BR>> > Respectfully<BR>> > Claudia Milz and Tom = Mount<BR>>=20 > From Leon Scamahorn<BR>> > I am at a loss. Garrett, = Claudia, and I=20 had just finished having lunch<BR>> and<BR>> > talking about = the Meg.=20 I was looking forward to working with Garrett and<BR>> > diving = with him=20 and Claudia.<BR>> ><BR>> > I wish everyone to know that I = believe=20 Garrett was a fine instructor and<BR>> > probably the best one = and diver=20 in the country on the Inspiration. I will<BR>> > feel his loss, = and I=20 think that we all will feel his loss in the diving<BR>> > = industry. He=20 has been a positive influence to all those that understood<BR>>=20 him.<BR>> ><BR>> > Claudia, you have my best = wishes.<BR>>=20 ><BR>> > Sincerely,<BR>> > Leon Scamahorn<BR>> > = CEO=20 Innerspace Systems Corp.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ----- = Original=20 Message -----<BR>> > From: "Trey" <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>trey@ne*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>><BR>> > To: "Tom Mount" <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>; "<FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>Quest@Gu*<FONT = color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>. Com"<BR>> > <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>quest@gu*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000 = DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>;=20 "<FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>Jj@Gu*.Co*<FONT color=3D#000000 = DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>"=20 <<FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>jj@gu*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>; "Robert M. Carmichael"<BR>> > = <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>halcyon@ha*.ne*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>; "Paul Braunbehrens" <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>Bakalite@ba*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>;<BR>> "Scott"<BR>> > <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>scottk@nw*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>><BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 = 9:01=20 PM<BR>> > Subject: RE: Weinberg is dead<BR>> ><BR>>=20 ><BR>> > > Tom, the only thing that could save more lives = than=20 that piece of shit<BR>> > dying<BR>> > > would be you = retiring.=20 I really hope you do not think anyone believes a<BR>> > = word<BR>>=20 > > that comes out of your mouth with regard to IANTD = accidents.<BR>>=20 > ><BR>> > > Why don't you make up another "stroke" = shirt with=20 a list of dead IANTD<BR>> > > instructors and students on the = back?<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Tell us which it is , Tom, = was the=20 cigarette smoking physical slob<BR>> > Weinberg<BR>> > = > unfit=20 to teach diving, or did he go hypoxic shallow while diving with = a<BR>> >=20 > complete stroke who did not even notice? Either way, you are=20 wrong.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Tell us about the "heart = attack" in=20 the Netherlands during an IANTD deep<BR>> > air<BR>> > = >=20 course? Tell us again about Henry Kendall's heart attack ( ME got = you<BR>>=20 guys<BR>> > > there, with the help of our buddy at the Miami = Herald).=20 We can start<BR>> doing<BR>> > > that for all your "heart=20 attacks", Tom. Freedom of Information Act.<BR>> > ><BR>> = > >=20 The inspiration , the CIs , the CCR and all the rest have killed way=20 too<BR>> > > many people, TOm, and the only persons = benefiting are=20 you and your<BR>> > > "instructors" who get paid to "teach" = these=20 things. I realize this is<BR>> even<BR>> > > more = lucrative than=20 deep air, but you are not fooling anyone at all. You<BR>> > = are<BR>>=20 > > the lowest form of parasite on this planet, and before you = die,=20 everyone<BR>> > > will recognize that , and hopefully you = will die=20 broke and with a<BR>> severely<BR>> > > guilty conscience = for your=20 lying, deceit, anything for a buck attitude<BR>> and<BR>> > = > for=20 fighting anyone and anything the ever made any sense.<BR>> >=20 ><BR>> > > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > > = From: Tom=20 Mount [mailto:TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*]<BR>> > > Sent: = Tuesday,=20 June 26, 2001 10:33 AM<BR>> > > To: <FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>Quest@Gu*<FONT color=3D#000000 = DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>. Com; <FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>Jj@Gu*.Co*<FONT color=3D#000000 = DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>; Robert M.=20 Carmichael; Trey; Paul<BR>> > > Braunbehrens; Scott<BR>> = > >=20 Subject: Re: Weinberg is dead<BR>> > ><BR>> > = ><BR>> >=20 > Scott<BR>> > > You are a cold total asshole,<BR>> = >=20 ><BR>> > > And Trey the total deaths by divers who used=20 inspirations is 12<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > = > Also=20 Garrett did not die due to a CCR problem he had an actual = heart<BR>> >=20 attack<BR>> > > for real . But then facts do not matter to = you. The=20 rebreather was<BR>> working<BR>> > > correctly throughout = the dive=20 as verified by his dive buddy<BR>> > ><BR>> > > = Tom.<BR>>=20 > > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > > From: "Scott" = <<FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>scottk@nw*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>><BR>> > > To: "Paul Braunbehrens" = <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>Bakalite@ba*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>; "Trey"<BR>> <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>trey@ne*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>;<BR>> > > "Robert M. Carmichael" = <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>halcyon@ha*.ne*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>; "<FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>Jj@Gu*.Co*<FONT=20 color=3D#000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>" <<FONT = color=3D#0000ff><U>jj@gu*.co*<FONT=20 color=3D#000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>;<BR>> > > "<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>Quest@Gu*<FONT color=3D#000000 = DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>. Com"=20 <<FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>quest@gu*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>><BR>> > > Sent: Monday, June 25, = 2001 8:41=20 PM<BR>> > > Subject: Re: Weinberg is dead<BR>> > = ><BR>>=20 > ><BR>> > > > I am trying to think of something = good or=20 nice to say, but I guess<BR>> > that's<BR>> > > > = not my=20 place. The only thing I feel right now is<BR>> > > > a = kind of=20 numb anger.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > I took two = courses=20 from Weinberg almost 3 years ago. I am sorry he<BR>> died,<BR>> = >=20 > but<BR>> > > > I am not surprised nor = shattered.<BR>> >=20 > > Unfortunate, but entirely predictable. The pisser is it is = so=20 easily<BR>> > > > avoidable. But ego and control get in = the=20 way.<BR>> > > > He and his "methods" drove me straight to=20 DIR.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > His arrogance at = times was=20 frightening, and I heard him say on more<BR>> than<BR>> > = >=20 one<BR>> > > > occasion when a diver died:<BR>> > = > >=20 "Darwin was right." Many times I heard him call people idiots, = often<BR>>=20 > > > hollering and loud in front of others.<BR>> > = > >=20 He was loud, rude and expensive.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > = > >=20 People need to wake up and smell the coffee.<BR>> > > = ><BR>>=20 > > > Scott<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > "Or = how=20 wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of<BR>> = >=20 > thine<BR>> > > > eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine = own=20 eye?<BR>> > > > Matthew 7:4<BR>> > > ><BR>> = >=20 > ><BR>> > > > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> = >=20 > > From: "Paul Braunbehrens" <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>Bakalite@ba*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>><BR>> > > > To: "Trey" <<FONT = color=3D#0000ff><U>trey@ne*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000 = DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>;=20 "Scott" <<FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>scottk@nw*.co*<FONT = color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>; "Robert M.<BR>> > > > = Carmichael"=20 <<FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>halcyon@ha*.ne*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>; "<FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>Jj@Gu*.Co*<FONT=20 color=3D#000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>" <<FONT = color=3D#0000ff><U>jj@gu*.co*<FONT=20 color=3D#000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>>;<BR>> > "<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>Quest@Gu*<FONT color=3D#000000 = DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>.<BR>>=20 > > > Com" <<FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>quest@gu*.co*<FONT=20 color=3D#000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U>><BR>> > > > = Sent: Monday,=20 June 25, 2001 4:44 PM<BR>> > > > Subject: RE: Weinberg is=20 dead<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > = > >=20 That makes what, 19 now on the inspiration?<BR>> > > >=20 ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Trey=20 wrote:<BR>> > > > > ~<BR>> > > > > = >One more=20 moron that I do not have to argue with . Now, does anyone<BR>> > = want<BR>> > > > to<BR>> > > > > >tell me = I am=20 wrong when I keep being so right? Wienberg was one of<BR>> > = the<BR>>=20 > > > worst<BR>> > > > > >influences ever = in=20 diving.<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > = >These=20 people are not only the worst strokes, they are like the guys<BR>> = >=20 in<BR>> > > > the<BR>> > > > > >last = Indiana=20 Jones movie who keep getting their heads cut off.<BR>> > > = > >=20 ><BR>> > > > > >Funny how my most outspoken = enemies keep=20 ending up dead, only I am<BR>> > not<BR>> > > > = like<BR>>=20 > > > > >Clinton, I really do wait for them to just = kill=20 themselves, and I<BR>> do<BR>> > > not<BR>> > > = > >=20 >even have to move them to the park bench.<BR>> > > > = >=20 ><BR>> > > > > >One more argument I just won: = 6-love,=20 golden set.<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > = >=20 ><BR>> > > > > >-----Original = Message-----<BR>> >=20 > > > >From: Scott [mailto:scottk@nw*.co*]<BR>> > = >=20 > > >Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:06 PM<BR>> > > = > >=20 >To: Trey; Robert M. Carmichael; <FONT = color=3D#0000ff><U>Jj@Gu*.Co*<FONT=20 color=3D#000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U><BR>> > > > > = >Subject:=20 Weinberg is dead<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > = > >=20 ><BR>> > > > > >Don't know if you guys heard, but = Weinberg died diving his<BR>> > Inspiration<BR>> > > = >=20 with<BR>> > > > > >Claudia Milz last friday.<BR>> = >=20 > > > ><BR>> > > > > >They are calling = it a=20 heart attack.<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > = >=20 >Scott<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > = ><BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > = ><BR>>=20 = >---------------------------------------------------------------------= <BR>>=20 > > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: <FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U><BR>> > > > > >For additional = commands,=20 e-mail: <FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>quest-help@gu*.co*<FONT = color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > = >=20 ><BR>> > > > > --<BR>> > > > > Paul=20 B.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > = >=20 = ---------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>= >=20 > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U><BR>> > > > For additional commands, = e-mail:=20 <FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>quest-help@gu*.co*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > = ><BR>>=20 > ><BR>> > ><BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> <BR><FONT=20 face=3D"MS Sans Serif" DEFAULT=3D"FACE"><FONT size=3D1 = DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"=20 POINTSIZE=3D"8"><BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2 = POINTSIZE=3D"10"><BR>Tom=20 Mount<BR>CEO IANTD World HQ<BR><FONT = color=3D#0000ff><U>www.iantd.com<FONT=20 color=3D#000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U><BR><FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff><U>TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*<FONT color=3D#000000=20 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"></U><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" = DEFAULT=3D"FACE"><FONT size=3D1=20 DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"=20 POINTSIZE=3D"8"><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></FO NT></FONT></FO= NT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FO NT></FONT></FONT>= </FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </FONT></FONT></F= ONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></F ONT></FONT></FONT= ></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT ></FONT></FONT></= FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></ FONT></FONT></FON= T></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FON T></FONT></FONT><= /FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT>< /FONT></FONT></FO= NT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FO NT></FONT></FONT>= </FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </FONT></FONT></F= ONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0FF99.99B48E40-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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