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Subject: FW: Wreck Laws - all bad??
From: "Mullins, Robert" <mullinsr@hq*.hh*.or*>
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 17:32:00 EST
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From: Mullins, Robert
To: owner-techdiver
Subject: RE: Wreck Laws - all bad??
Date: Wednesday, March 15, 1995 4:03PM



 -From: "Broadwater, J." <jbroadwater@oc*.no*.no*.go*>

WHOA!!  I've been reading all the comments and *WARNINGS* and  *ALERTS* and
*WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN* on techdiver about nasty, totally unwarranted laws 
to
protect shipwrecks.  There was all the old stuff about "most wrecks aren't
important," and "besides, they'll all be destroyed by the *ANGRY [CORROSIVE]
SEA* real soon if we don't all go rip 'em up right away."  There were the
protests of "renewed bureaucratic efforts to yank away our last vestiges of
*INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS*," etc.  Apparently, it's all the result of the United
Nations plan: "Buenos Aires Draft Convention on the Protection of the
Underwater Cultural Heritage."

Okay, most of us are opposed to too much interference by government, but
doesn't anyone on techdiver think some shipwrecks should be preserved?

Sure, SOME wrecks in some very well defined circumstances for some very well 
defined reasons.....

Doesn't anyone believe that by protecting historic shipwrecks the government
is actually preserving the rights of those divers--now and in the 
future--who
want to enjoy seeing the wrecks as they now are?

Since when is it the government's job to protect the rights of divers to see 
any wrecks at all?  I just don't follow this line of reasoning....We're 
talking about scrap metal and wood here, these are wrecks that have not been 
claimed by their owners as not worth the time, expense, trouble, etc... 
  Were it not for the fact that they are at the bottom of a lake, ocean, or 
whatever, and therefore out of sight and out of mind, they would have been 
cleaned up as garbage a long time ago.  Anywhere else they'd be considered 
an eyesore.  Maybe we should also preserve some of the really neat train or 
plane wrecks for the benefit of future scholars.

Doesn't anyone liken shipwreck preserves to national parks or marine 
sanctuaries that protect
representative examples of things that make our lives richer and more
meaningful?

I recognize the value of preserving, in a limited way, specific sites that 
allow people to remember historic events and honor personal sacrifices, such 
as the Pearl Harbor attack, and similar memorials, but not for their value 
as the objects of future archaeologists' curiosity.  To some extent, this is 
a matter of archaeologists creating a "raison d'etre."

And . . . come on now . . . do wreck divers really think that a few 
shipwreck preserves will leave you with "no place to dive"?!?

As you correctly point out, much of the discussion is based on second hand 
info, and there may well be some hyperbole involved.....That's nothing new 
on either side of the discussion.  But the fact is that many states, and 
Maryland is one, have strict laws against taking "artifacts"  aka junk, from 
sites that few peple will ever see, and the only ones who really benefit are 
the archaeologists who are employed to find and "protect" these sites.  To 
echo the sentiments expressed in another post, is there no limit to what we 
can/need to learn about the last 200 years, in which many, if not most of 
these wrecks occurred?  We seem to be pursuing these things in a mindless 
way, never questioning the benefit or value, seemingly convinced that 
government protection is the answer.

I'm ready to discuss any issue with any body, but I HATE illogical,
emotionally-charged B.S.!  (Can I say B.S. on the net??)

You can say that and a lot more until the government gets involved  ;-)

Please, folks, don't oppose preservation laws without looking at them fairly 
and objectively.

OK, but as I stated earlier, I think the burden of fairness and objectivity 
rests with those who advocate the laws....show the benefit....and the 
cost......and be realistic.

As an archaeologist, I don't try to save everything that's connected with 
the
human race,

unfortunately, that approach doesn't seem to be shared by many of your 
colleagues.

and, by the same token, I'm hoping that  most people don't want to
destroy all evidence of our past.

not at all....

How about somebody (is there a suitable spokesperson?) stating the issues as
follows:  (1) the ACTUAL wording of the offending proposed legislation (too
often, we only get someone's interpretation, not the real facts),

sounds good to me

(2) the major objections from the dive community and (3) the suggested 
alternative
approach to the problem.  I'll be happy to discuss these issues, and I know
there are others who will do the same.  Thanks.

John D. Broadwater
MONITOR Nat. Marine Sanctuary
Bldg. 1519,  Ft. Eustis, VA  23604
804-878-2973 (fax 878-4619)
jbroadwater@oc*.no*.no*.go*

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