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Aloha,
Looks like the *intellectual* discussion continues to flow unabated...
>
>Jim, every time some big time tough guy gets certified , he comes on here
>with all the answers. Apparently, as part of most NACD and CDS courses, they
>teach fear and loathing of the WKPP. The fact is that sooner or later they
>all find out that they got nothing .
Offered no answers, simply volunteered that there *might* be agencies and
instructors other than GUE worth considering for cave diving cert. Didn't
notice any fear of GUE, and the loathing was reserved for bigshot
know-it-alls of any stripe, including yours Trey.
Fact is, looks like the only BS around here are your (and yours) ad
homien attacks and name-calling. Come on! You're supposed to be some
big-time cave/tech diver and yet you act like an insecure little school
boy. If what you and you're agency are doing and selling is so damned
good, it would seem to me that you could easily win *any* honest
fact-based discussion.
>Who wants to learn anything from people who do not do it when you can go to
>the pros.
Last I saw, there were plenty of people "doing it" other than GUE. Maybe
you're pros, and maybe not: Most of the pros I know don't do much
name-calling. Actually, most of your *discussions* remind me of two boys
arguing over the size of their dicks...
Regards,
Dave
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 5:57 PM
>To: Dave Sams; techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject: Re: don't be silly....was....RE: Advice on NACD?
>
>
>What is this cave crap doing on techdiver? We have enough shit to argue
>about without having to hear about all the endless turf wars going on down
>there in pickup truck heaven. Take it over to the cavers list.
>
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>> From: Dave Sams <dsams@al*.co*>
>> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 01 17:23:59 -1000
>> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>> Cc: "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>> Subject: Re: don't be silly....was....RE: Advice on NACD?
>>
>>>
>> Aloha,
>>
>> I don't know about that...have watched Bird and Larry Green fail
>> students. And, as far as I can tell, any cave diving is real diving.
>> Granted, there are differences between the cave dives you're doing and
>> the "recreational" cave dives that most of us do on the weekend, but at
>> the end of the day we've both been feeling our way along in the dark.
>>
>> If I may so humbly ask, which agency did you first certify cave with?
>> Forgive me, but your attitude (and agency affiliation) is showing.
>>
>> And just for my information (I missed your explanation) what, exactly,
>> was the new entry technique you demonstrated last fall at PeacockI?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>> The only thing you need for an NACD course is a checkbook and two days.
>It
>>> is a joke. The "instructors" do not themselves do any real diving ,
>>> whereas the GUE guys do, and the majority of them are going to run you
>>> through bullshit dives as fast as they can so they can get on back to the
>>> trailer for Miller Time.
>>>
>>> The one thing you can get from the NACD is a card, no matter how much of
>a
>>> clusterfuck you are, so if you can not pass the walk and chew gum test,
>go
>>> to the NACD. If you are a real basket case, go to the CDS.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: pina
>>> To: Brad, Jen, and Sam
>>> Cc: Techdiver
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:29 PM
>>> Subject: don't be silly....was....RE: Advice on NACD?
>>>
>>>
>>> That is silly.
>>>
>>> Here is the link to the GUE Cave 1 course:
>>> http://www.gue.com/classroom/standards/gue_cave1_student.pdf
>>>
>>> You do not need any prior cave/cavern training for this course, and if
>>> you have had any they will just have to un-train all the bad habits you
>>> have developed, and straighten the bad gear advice you received from
>other
>>> instructors.
>>>
>>> Just get the proper training the first time.
>>>
>>> --pina
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brad, Jen, and Sam [mailto:bjs539@ho*.co*]
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:13 PM
>>> To: Techdiver List
>>> Subject: Advice on NACD?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello all-
>>> I am wanting to learn the right way to do cave dives. This is
>>> obviously going to be GUE, but I don't think I am ready for GUE yet, as I
>>> have no other cave/cavern training. I have been thinking about doing the
>>> NACD courses to help prepare me for the GUE courses, but wanted to get
>the
>>> general concensus as to how well put together the NACD course really is.
>>> Thanks in advance for any advice I can get!!
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
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