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Oh, I see where you are coming from. This is a terminology thing. You mean an SMB so that the boat can see you, not a lift bag so that they can do a hang under. The students aren't wearing a timex or carrying an SMB simply cause the instructor hasn't taught them properly and then hadn't followed through with his own rules. An instructor makes the call on whether someone dives or doesn't dive. The instructor *could* say no diving until you have the minimum essential equipment. Solution is to find a better instructor. ss ----- Original Message ----- From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> To: Steve Schultz <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Re: QUARRY DEATH TOLL was: [Dumb vs. Smart Re: Wet vs Dry inSoCal]] > Steve, First ALL dives are decompression dives. Second if you're telling me that students doing an entry certification course don't need an SMB for diving offshore then I'm saying that I think you are a dangerous individual and don't know what you are talking about! Unless you care to elaborate or try to justify your last statement. > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Steve Schultz"<se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*> > To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*> > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > Date: Tue Jun 19 22:43:43 PDT 2001 > Subject: Re: QUARRY DEATH TOLL was: [Dumb vs. Smart Re: Wet vs Dry in SoCal]] > > >They get an SMB when they do a dive that requires deco. > > > >ss > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> > >To: Steve Schultz <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*> > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:12 PM > >Subject: QUARRY DEATH TOLL was: [Dumb vs. Smart Re: Wet vs Dry in SoCal]] > > > > > >> Sounds simple so why are they not wearing it? > >> What about SMB? When do they get the SMB? > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: "Steve Schultz"<se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*> > >> To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*> > >> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >> Date: Mon Jun 18 14:03:15 PDT 2001 > >> Subject: Re: QUARRY DEATH TOLL was: [Dumb vs. Smart Re: Wet vs Dry in > >SoCal]] > >> > >> >They are provided with a depth gauge. They just need a $30 timex. > >> > > >> >ss > >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> > >> >To: gott <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>; Thomas Rasbeck <trasbeck@dr*.co*> > >> >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > >> >Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:37 PM > >> >Subject: QUARRY DEATH TOLL was: [Dumb vs. Smart Re: Wet vs Dry in SoCal]] > >> > > >> > > >> >> Wendell, Your right in my opinion. > >> >> I think it's safe to say any wetsuit over 5 mil is the wrong suit for > >the > >> >job. But the students also are not provided with a timing device so have > >to > >> >rely on their instructor. Is it also possible to justifie that? > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: "gott"<wgrogan@dc*.ne*> > >> >> To: "Thomas Rasbeck"<trasbeck@dr*.co*> > >> >> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >> >> Date: Sat Jun 16 18:48:22 PDT 2001 > >> >> Subject: Re: [Re: Re: [Dumb vs. Smart Re: Wet vs Dry in SoCal]] > >> >> > >> >> >Every time I see the discussion of wet vs. dry in the NE US/Canada, I > >> >remember > >> >> >when we were buying our gear from Evie Dudas for the first time. She > >> >told us > >> >> >that we should buy dry suits if we were serious about diving, that it > >> >would save > >> >> >us money in the long run. We scoffed, thinking that she was just > >trying > >> >to make > >> >> >a buck since she makes custom dry suits. Wrongo!! We now own 3 wet > >> >suits and 3 > >> >> >dry suits, the wet suits make interesting wall hangings in our > >basement. > >> >The > >> >> >dry suits are used most weekends. > >> >> >I dove a 7 mm wet suits in conditions down to 35 F for up to an hour > >at a > >> >time. > >> >> >I survived, but was often unable to stand up with a single steel 95. > >In > >> >other > >> >> >words, you can do it, feel "OK", but be severely impaired from > >> >hypothermia. If > >> >> >you are going to be diving in water below 60 F for any length of time, > >do > >> >> >yourself and your potential widow a favor, either buy a dry suit, or > >> >spend the > >> >> >money on more life insurance. > >> >> >Wendell G > >> >> > > >> >> >Thomas Rasbeck wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Amen to that..After 25 years of Great Lakes diving, I see more dry > >> >suits > >> >> >> each year...My advice to newer divers as to the wet/dry question is > >to > >> >> >> remember the possibly long, cold boat ride after the dive. This is > >> >where > >> >> >> being dry and warm really becomes a plus side for dry. In a small > >open > >> >boat > >> >> >> it can be nearly impossible to change into dry warm clothes. I have > >> >seen > >> >> >> people get a start on hypothermia by only worrying about water temp, > >> >instead > >> >> >> of considering the entire trip. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Tom R. > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> From: Michael A. Graham <magraham@ne*.co*> > >> >> >> To: Bob Sherwood <sherwood@st*.rr*.co*>; terry michael > ><OEA51@go*.co*>; > >> >Bob > >> >> >> Hines <bhines.vwmc@us*.ne*> > >> >> >> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > >> >> >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:42 AM > >> >> >> Subject: Re: Re: [Re: Re: [Dumb vs. Smart Re: Wet vs Dry in SoCal]] > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Bob Hines' observation that "...Very few people in the Great Lakes > >> >area > >> >> >> wear > >> >> >> > Drysuits, unless they are doing Ice diving or extended deeper > >diving > >> >in > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > cold..." would suggest to me that Bob does very little diving in > >the > >> >Great > >> >> >> > Lakes. I've been actively diving the Great Lakes for 12 years and > >it > >> >> >> seems > >> >> >> > to me, from what I've observed, the majority of divers are diving > >> >dry, > >> >> >> > "technical" and "sport" divers alike. It seems to me that being > >cold > >> >has > >> >> >> > nothing to do with being a wimp...but being "macho" about diving > >wet > >> >in > >> >> >> cold > >> >> >> > water is stupidity. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Bob, provide a sound argument for diving a wetsuit in the cold > >waters > >> >of > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > Great Lakes beyond "You get used to the cold after about 20 years > >of > >> >it.". > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > MAG > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > >> >`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> >> >> > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > >> >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > >`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> >> >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > >> >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >> >> > > >> >> >-- > >> >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > >`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ___________________________________________________ > >> >> GO.com Mail > >> >> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >> > > >> > >> > >> ___________________________________________________ > >> GO.com Mail > >> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > >> > > > > > ___________________________________________________ > GO.com Mail > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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