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I guess blacklisted is too hard a term. Let's just say that most tech dive
trips that take place are private charters and you will find yourself no
longer invited.

I've seen the pictures on the Wahoo and other web sites of rigs like I
mentioned below and have seen them with my own two eyes and I beg to
disagree. Occasionally NE groups will find there way down here (Virginia
Beach) on open trips and the stuff they wear is hard to believe.

As we have discussed on this list there are people who have been diving the
"old way" for the last 15 or 20 years and in all probability if you stuck
them in a DIR rig they would not be happy or find it lacking for some
unfounded reason or other. The real problem is that these people, apparently
born with an angel on their shoulder, try to press their fucked up
convoluted rigs on the newbies as being the thing to do.

I have leaned of the "code of silence" on dive boats. If you dare look at
someone's rig and point out this and that it's a sure way to be branded as
an asshole know-it-all. The result is usually a mule-like reaction in the
opposite direction. The more effective route is to do yourself up in your
nice, clean DIR rig and then come up from your dive with a big grin on your
face from all the fun you had and all the sights you saw. Then you listen to
the old timey guy say how this or that part of his rig broke or otherwise
fucked up and how they heroically extradited themselves from what was surely
a fatal situation if it were any other diver. Well, I guess "fun" is defined
differently by different divers.

  Jim

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From: "Tony Thomas" <tonythomas@ny*.rr*.co*>
Reply-To: "Tony Thomas" <tonythomas@ny*.rr*.co*>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:08:48 -0400
To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>, <NICKSKYDIV@ao*.co*>,
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: NY DCS hit


Jim - 
 
Honestly, to the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever been blacklisted, or
fears being blacklisted, for telling the "true story" about any diving
incident up here. I've only ever heard of people being blacklisted from
boats up here for doing things like drifting deco without shooting a bag,
repeatedly coming up off the line with students, etc.  Of course, you may
have different information than I do.  As for the demented way some people
dive up here, I haven't seen the anchor chain ankle weight thing, but yeah,
some people up here do some pretty wacky things...  but from what I've seen,
it sure isn't particular to the North East.  Take a look around the parking
lot at Ginnie or Peacock sometime, or hop on a charter boat in North
Carolina.  Or better yet, have a chat with legendary Ginnie map maker Jeff
Hancock <g>.  
 
Tony 
 
Nick, there are divers up there who are terrified of being blacklisted by
your dive boats should it be known that they leaked the true story.

So I get e-mails from folks who don't want to be persecuted by you NE divers
but still want folks to know about the demented way some people dive up
there.

You know, using anchor chain as ankle weights, independent doubles with no
backplates, horse collars or no BC's at all, Navy dive tables, centre
mounted ponies, and other bizarre, oldtimey stuff which is proven to kill
people over and over yet is still used up there without a thought.

 Jim
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From: <NICKSKYDIV@ao*.co*>
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:47:52 EDT
To: cobber@ci*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Fwd: NY DCS hit




From: NICKSKYDIV@ao*.co*
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:23:11 EDT
To: cobber@ci*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: NY DCS hit

Jim, 

What news do you listen to or read?

I would think that someone like yourself with a fine, tenured diving career
would get the real facts before making themselves look like a fool on the
internet. 

For your information, the diver you commented on has never been on Techdiver
and never took part in last years "Wahoo Wars"
Furthermore he does not own a "double bladder" OMS BC.

Please do us all a favor before you feel the need to spread rumors,
sensationalize a story or slander good people, get the facts before you
react. 

NICK 





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I guess blacklisted is too hard a term. Let's just say that most tech dive =
trips that take place are private charters and you will find yourself no lon=
ger invited.<BR>
<BR>
I've seen the pictures on the Wahoo and other web sites of rigs like I ment=
ioned below and have seen them with my own two eyes and I beg to disagree. O=
ccasionally NE groups will find there way down here (Virginia Beach) on open=
 trips and the stuff they wear is hard to believe.<BR>
<BR>
As we have discussed on this list there are people who have been diving the=
 "old way" for the last 15 or 20 years and in all probability if y=
ou stuck them in a DIR rig they would not be happy or find it lacking for so=
me unfounded reason or other. The real problem is that these people, apparen=
tly born with an angel on their shoulder, try to press their fucked up convo=
luted rigs on the newbies as being the thing to do.<BR>
<BR>
I have leaned of the "code of silence" on dive boats. If you dare=
 look at someone's rig and point out this and that it's a sure way to be bra=
nded as an asshole know-it-all. The result is usually a mule-like reaction i=
n the opposite direction. The more effective route is to do yourself up in y=
our nice, clean DIR rig and then come up from your dive with a big grin on y=
our face from all the fun you had and all the sights you saw. Then you liste=
n to the old timey guy say how this or that part of his rig broke or otherwi=
se fucked up and how they heroically extradited themselves from what was sur=
ely a fatal situation if it were any other diver. Well, I guess "fun&qu=
ot; is defined differently by different divers.<BR>
<BR>
   Jim<BR>
<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<B>From: </B>"Tony Thomas" <tonythomas@ny*.rr*.co*><BR>
<B>Reply-To: </B>"Tony Thomas"
<tonythomas@ny*.rr*.co*><BR>
<B>Date: </B>Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:08:48 -0400<BR>
<B>To: </B>"Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>, <NICKSKY=
DIV@ao*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com><BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Re: NY DCS hit<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Jim - <BR>
</FONT></FONT> <BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Honestly, to the best of my
knowledge, no=
body has ever been blacklisted, or fears being blacklisted, for telling the =
"true story" about any diving incident up here. I've only ever hea=
rd of people being blacklisted from boats up here for doing things like drif=
ting deco without shooting a bag, repeatedly coming up off the line with stu=
dents, etc.  Of course, you may have different information than I do. &=
nbsp;As for the demented way some people dive up here, I haven't seen the an=
chor chain ankle weight thing, but yeah, some people up here do some pretty =
wacky things...  but from what I've seen, it sure isn't particular to t=
he North East.  Take a look around the parking lot at Ginnie or Peacock=
 sometime, or hop on a charter boat in North Carolina.  Or better yet, =
have a chat with legendary Ginnie map maker Jeff Hancock <g>.  <B=
R>
</FONT></FONT> <BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Tony <BR>
</FONT></FONT> <BR>
Nick, there are divers up there who are terrified of being blacklisted by y=
our dive boats should it be known that they leaked the true story.<BR>
<BR>
So I get e-mails from folks who don't want to be persecuted by you NE diver=
s but still want folks to know about the demented way some people dive up th=
ere.<BR>
<BR>
You know, using anchor chain as ankle weights, independent doubles with no =
backplates, horse collars or no BC's at all, Navy dive tables, centre mounte=
d ponies, and other bizarre, oldtimey stuff which is proven to kill people o=
ver and over yet is still used up there without a thought.<BR>
<BR>
  Jim<BR>
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<B>From: </B><NICKSKYDIV@ao*.co*><BR>
<B>Date: </B>Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:47:52 EDT<BR>
<B>To: </B>cobber@ci*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Fwd: NY DCS hit<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><TT><BR>
<BR>
</TT><B>From: </B>NICKSKYDIV@ao*.co*<BR>
<B>Date: </B>Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:23:11 EDT<BR>
<B>To: </B>cobber@ci*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Re: NY DCS hit<BR>
<BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2">Jim, <BR>
<BR>
What news do you listen to or read? <BR>
<BR>
I would think that someone like yourself with a fine, tenured diving career=
 <BR>
would get the real facts before making themselves look like a fool on the <=
BR>
internet. <BR>
<BR>
For your information, the diver you commented on has never been on Techdive=
r <BR>
and never took part in last years "Wahoo Wars" <BR>
Furthermore he does not own a "double bladder" OMS BC. <BR>
<BR>
Please do us all a favor before you feel the need to spread rumors, <BR>
sensationalize a story or slander good people, get the facts before you rea=
ct. <BR>
<BR>
NICK</FONT> <BR>
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