Just a point of fact which I learned recently.

Mark was using wings with a single bladder, so the problem was not due to 
accidentally inflating the wrong bladder.

At 09:55 06/08/2001 -0400, David E. Smith wrote:
>Oh come one now.
>I can understand people's objection to the dual bungee bladder
>design.  (I say to each their own)  But to suggest that the
>manufacturer responsible or culpable is ridiculous.  Many
>may think that the product is terrible.  But if an individual
>makes a mistake, (even if the product ALLOWS the possibility of
>a mistake) than let the INDIVIDUAL be responsible and accountable.
>
>Otherwise, just what we need, more civil suits to make everything
>in life more expensive!
>
>David E. Smith
>
>dsmith218@ho*.co*
>ICQ# 25409809
>
>Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. -
>Polver
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bruce Sherman [mailto:bruce.s@co*.co*.nz*]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:00 PM
>To: Techdiver List
>Subject: Re: NY DCS hit
>
>
>I am surprised that no law suits have been bought against manufacturers such
>as OMS for Bondage wing type products which are clearly related to some dive
>deaths. Or have they ?
>Chaz
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>
>To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 12:26 PM
>Subject: Re: NY DCS hit
>
>
> > Cobb,,
> >
> > Part of the problem is that they still believe Maffatone was a pioneer..
> > When you have guys worshipping idiots that do stupid things what do you
> > expect???
> >
> > Could you imagine how many fatalities they would have back there if the
> > season was 12 months a year???  It's a good thing they can't dive year
> > round..
> >
> > Later
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>
> > To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Tech Diver"
> > <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: NY DCS hit
> >
> >
> > > Well, the story gets better and better. Further news states that this
> > idiot
> > > *was* diving independent doubles and his problem was with his OMS
> > > stuporwings. the knucklehead lost track of which bladder he had
>inflated.
> > >
> > > So here we have a guy who has to worry about what air he has in his
> > drysuit,
> > > what air he has in which bungee wing bladder, what air he has in which
> > tank
> > > in his back gas, what air he has in his deco bottles, etc. etc. etc.
> > >
> > > Is this supposed to be fun? When will you knuckleheads out there get the
> > > picture? When will the lightbulb come on? Is this sheer stupidity or
>some
> > > other bizarre manifestation which only psychoanalysis will be able to
> > figure
> > > out?
> > >
> > > Steve and Janet, why do you folks condone this shit? To what advantage
> > would
> > > it have been to you North East Dive Boat association to loose yet
>another
> > > mate? Why do you guys, respected members of the community up there,
> > promote
> > > this crap?
> > >
> > >
> > >  -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >  Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
> > >
> > > > From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
> > > > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:07:05 -0400
> > > > To: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > > Subject: NY DCS hit
> > > >
> > > > Interesting story. As I recall this is the fellow who was particularly
> > > > quarrelsome and pathetically stupid during last year's Wahoo wars on
> > Tech
> > > > Diver.
> > > >
> > > > This story seems to indicate that either he was breathing from
> > independent
> > > > doubles or doing that thing what nobody ever claims that they do,
>using
> > a
> > > > pony to extend his bottom time.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry, but Janet and Steve, for how much longer are you going to
>let
> > > > this stupid stroke stuff go on up there? I am really wondering if
>doing
> > all
> > > > that deep air has effected your brains like it has Tom Mount's.
> > > >
> > > > Clusterfucks like this do in two or three or more NE divers a year yet
> > > > nobody seems to care. Is this a macho thing? Your normal excuse is
>that
> > you
> > > > cannot "tell customers how to dive" but this guy was a mate, a paid
>crew
> > > > member and certainly you have say over what gear he uses. When will
>you
> > > > people wake up?
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
> > > >
> > > >> From: "Al Wells" <fossildiver@mi*.co*>
> > > >> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 03:10:23 -0400
> > > >> To: <FlTechDiver@mikey.net>
> > > >> Subject: NY DCS hit
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/news/tuesday/nd3990.htm
> > > >>
> > > >> Oxygen Chamber Saves Scuba Diver
> > > >> by Katie Thomas
> > > >> Staff Writer
> > > >>
> > > >> A Connecticut man suffered a nearly fatal diving accident 60 miles
>out
> > to
> > > >> sea when his suit took on too much air and he sped to the surface
> > Friday
> > > >> without allowing his body to properly decompress.
> > > >>
> > > >> The incident came at the end of what had been a fairly smooth dive
> > around
> > > >> the Texas Tower, a toppled radar station, said the diver, Mark
>Shannon,
> > of
> > > >> Fairfield, Conn. An experienced diver and crew member for the Wahoo,
>a
> > dive
> > > >> boat based at the Captree Boat Basin, Shannon was about to begin his
> > ascent
> > > >> from 140 feet in the Atlantic Ocean when he swallowed a mouthful of
> > water
> > > >> while switching from one air regulator to another.
> > > >>
> > > >> After several moments spent bringing his breathing under control,
> > Shannon
> > > >> began to head for the anchor line that would lead him to the surface.
> > His
> > > >> diving partner, crew member Nick Ricciardelli, had already begun
> > untying the
> > > >> line, so Shannon decided to try to make it to the anchor line before
> > fixing
> > > >> his suit, which had too much air.
> > > >>
> > > >> "I started to drift upward, and then I got farther and farther out of
> > > >> control," said Shannon, 40, who has dived perhaps 700 times since
>1989
> > and
> > > >> is a lieutenant in the Stamford, Conn., fire department. "Then I was
> > flying
> > > >> to the surface." Shannon considers himself a lucky man. Often such
> > > >> "uncontrolled ascents" can be fatal. Air trapped in divers' lungs
> > expands as
> > > >> it reaches the surface and can rupture their lungs if they don't
> > exhale, as
> > > >> Shannon did. An air bubble could have become trapped in his blood and
> > > >> reached his brain, causing stroke-like symptoms or death.
> > > >>
> > > >> "This guy was very lucky," said Shannon's doctor, Kenneth Hirsh, of
>the
> > John
> > > >> T. Mather Memorial Hospital in Port Jefferson. "He was very fortunate
> > that
> > > >> he doesn't seem to have long-term problems." Instead, Shannon got a
> > severe
> > > >> case of what is known as "the bends," or decompression sickness,
>which
> > > >> happens when divers ascend too quickly and the nitrogen that has
> > dissolved
> > > >> into their tissue and blood while deep underwater turns into gas
> > bubbles
> > > >> that block blood flow and can impede the nervous system.
> > > >>
> > > >> Crew members immediately fished Shannon from the water and began
>giving
> > him
> > > >> oxygen. Shooting pains stabbed his back, legs and nearly all of his
> > joints.
> > > >>
> > > >> Captain Janet Bieser radioed the Coast Guard, and within an hour he
>was
> > on
> > > >> his way to Mather and the hospital's hyperbaric oxygen chamber, which
> > allows
> > > >> the nitrogen to slowly dissolve.
> > > >>
> > > >> He spent eight hours in the chamber Friday and has received several
> > two-hour
> > > >> treatments over the past several days. Doctors say he is expected to
> > fully
> > > >> recover.
> > > >>
> > > >> Shannon's wife, Robin, learned of the accident Friday afternoon after
> > > >> returning from errands with her daughter, Rachel, 3.
> > > >>
> > > >> "It's the kind of phone call you hope you never get," said Robin, who
> > also
> > > >> is an avid diver.
> > > >>
> > > >> Wahoo owner Steve Bielenda called Shannon an experienced diver and
>said
> > the
> > > >> accident could have happened to anyone. "This is one of those domino
> > effect
> > > >> type of things. One thing goes wrong, you pay attention to it, then
> > > >> something else goes wrong," he said. His boat conducts about 5,000
> > dives a
> > > >> year. Bielenda said Long Island sees three to seven such accidents
> > every
> > > >> year. Eleven passengers and five crew members made the trip aboard
>the
> > Wahoo
> > > >> on Friday.
> > > >>
> > > >> Despite his ordeal, Shannon hasn't sworn off diving. If doctors
>permit
> > it,
> > > >> he'll dive again. But "I don't know if I'll ever go that deep again,"
> > he
> > > >> said.
> > > >>
> > > >> Decompressing How patients are treated for the "bends" The increased
> > > >> pressure of the chamber helps decrease the size of nitrogen bubbles
>in
> > a
> > > >> patient who has decompression illness or the "bends," a painful and
> > > >> dangerous condition usually associated with diving and caused by gas
> > bubbles
> > > >> in the bloodstream and body tissues. The chamber helps reduce the
> > bubbles so
> > > >> they can be reabsorbed into the bloodstream.
> > > >>
> > > >> 100 percent oxygen is pumped into the chamber at high pressure for
>the
> > > >> patient to breatehr. This is a high-pressure or "hyperbaric" dose of
> > oxygen.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> During the course of treatment, whihc varies, the patient is given
>air
> > > >> breaks of 21 percent oxygen.
> > > >>
> > > >> In a pressurized chamber, the body is able to absorb two to three
>times
> > more
> > > >> pure oxygen thatn if there were no increase in pressure.
> > > >>
> > > >> SOURCE: Kathy McGonigle, R.N.; John T. Mather Memorial Hospital;
>World
> > Book
> > > >> Encyclopedia; Sechrist.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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