Oh come one now.
I can understand people's objection to the dual bungee bladder
design.  (I say to each their own)  But to suggest that the
manufacturer responsible or culpable is ridiculous.  Many
may think that the product is terrible.  But if an individual
makes a mistake, (even if the product ALLOWS the possibility of
a mistake) than let the INDIVIDUAL be responsible and accountable.

Otherwise, just what we need, more civil suits to make everything
in life more expensive!

David E. Smith

dsmith218@ho*.co*
ICQ# 25409809

Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. -
Polver




-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Sherman [mailto:bruce.s@co*.co*.nz*]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:00 PM
To: Techdiver List
Subject: Re: NY DCS hit


I am surprised that no law suits have been bought against manufacturers such
as OMS for Bondage wing type products which are clearly related to some dive
deaths. Or have they ?
Chaz

----- Original Message -----
From: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>
To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: NY DCS hit


> Cobb,,
>
> Part of the problem is that they still believe Maffatone was a pioneer..
> When you have guys worshipping idiots that do stupid things what do you
> expect???
>
> Could you imagine how many fatalities they would have back there if the
> season was 12 months a year???  It's a good thing they can't dive year
> round..
>
> Later
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>
> To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Tech Diver"
> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: NY DCS hit
>
>
> > Well, the story gets better and better. Further news states that this
> idiot
> > *was* diving independent doubles and his problem was with his OMS
> > stuporwings. the knucklehead lost track of which bladder he had
inflated.
> >
> > So here we have a guy who has to worry about what air he has in his
> drysuit,
> > what air he has in which bungee wing bladder, what air he has in which
> tank
> > in his back gas, what air he has in his deco bottles, etc. etc. etc.
> >
> > Is this supposed to be fun? When will you knuckleheads out there get the
> > picture? When will the lightbulb come on? Is this sheer stupidity or
some
> > other bizarre manifestation which only psychoanalysis will be able to
> figure
> > out?
> >
> > Steve and Janet, why do you folks condone this shit? To what advantage
> would
> > it have been to you North East Dive Boat association to loose yet
another
> > mate? Why do you guys, respected members of the community up there,
> promote
> > this crap?
> >
> >
> >  -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
> >
> > > From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
> > > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:07:05 -0400
> > > To: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > Subject: NY DCS hit
> > >
> > > Interesting story. As I recall this is the fellow who was particularly
> > > quarrelsome and pathetically stupid during last year's Wahoo wars on
> Tech
> > > Diver.
> > >
> > > This story seems to indicate that either he was breathing from
> independent
> > > doubles or doing that thing what nobody ever claims that they do,
using
> a
> > > pony to extend his bottom time.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, but Janet and Steve, for how much longer are you going to
let
> > > this stupid stroke stuff go on up there? I am really wondering if
doing
> all
> > > that deep air has effected your brains like it has Tom Mount's.
> > >
> > > Clusterfucks like this do in two or three or more NE divers a year yet
> > > nobody seems to care. Is this a macho thing? Your normal excuse is
that
> you
> > > cannot "tell customers how to dive" but this guy was a mate, a paid
crew
> > > member and certainly you have say over what gear he uses. When will
you
> > > people wake up?
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
> > >
> > >> From: "Al Wells" <fossildiver@mi*.co*>
> > >> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 03:10:23 -0400
> > >> To: <FlTechDiver@mikey.net>
> > >> Subject: NY DCS hit
> > >>
> > >> http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/news/tuesday/nd3990.htm
> > >>
> > >> Oxygen Chamber Saves Scuba Diver
> > >> by Katie Thomas
> > >> Staff Writer
> > >>
> > >> A Connecticut man suffered a nearly fatal diving accident 60 miles
out
> to
> > >> sea when his suit took on too much air and he sped to the surface
> Friday
> > >> without allowing his body to properly decompress.
> > >>
> > >> The incident came at the end of what had been a fairly smooth dive
> around
> > >> the Texas Tower, a toppled radar station, said the diver, Mark
Shannon,
> of
> > >> Fairfield, Conn. An experienced diver and crew member for the Wahoo,
a
> dive
> > >> boat based at the Captree Boat Basin, Shannon was about to begin his
> ascent
> > >> from 140 feet in the Atlantic Ocean when he swallowed a mouthful of
> water
> > >> while switching from one air regulator to another.
> > >>
> > >> After several moments spent bringing his breathing under control,
> Shannon
> > >> began to head for the anchor line that would lead him to the surface.
> His
> > >> diving partner, crew member Nick Ricciardelli, had already begun
> untying the
> > >> line, so Shannon decided to try to make it to the anchor line before
> fixing
> > >> his suit, which had too much air.
> > >>
> > >> "I started to drift upward, and then I got farther and farther out of
> > >> control," said Shannon, 40, who has dived perhaps 700 times since
1989
> and
> > >> is a lieutenant in the Stamford, Conn., fire department. "Then I was
> flying
> > >> to the surface." Shannon considers himself a lucky man. Often such
> > >> "uncontrolled ascents" can be fatal. Air trapped in divers' lungs
> expands as
> > >> it reaches the surface and can rupture their lungs if they don't
> exhale, as
> > >> Shannon did. An air bubble could have become trapped in his blood and
> > >> reached his brain, causing stroke-like symptoms or death.
> > >>
> > >> "This guy was very lucky," said Shannon's doctor, Kenneth Hirsh, of
the
> John
> > >> T. Mather Memorial Hospital in Port Jefferson. "He was very fortunate
> that
> > >> he doesn't seem to have long-term problems." Instead, Shannon got a
> severe
> > >> case of what is known as "the bends," or decompression sickness,
which
> > >> happens when divers ascend too quickly and the nitrogen that has
> dissolved
> > >> into their tissue and blood while deep underwater turns into gas
> bubbles
> > >> that block blood flow and can impede the nervous system.
> > >>
> > >> Crew members immediately fished Shannon from the water and began
giving
> him
> > >> oxygen. Shooting pains stabbed his back, legs and nearly all of his
> joints.
> > >>
> > >> Captain Janet Bieser radioed the Coast Guard, and within an hour he
was
> on
> > >> his way to Mather and the hospital's hyperbaric oxygen chamber, which
> allows
> > >> the nitrogen to slowly dissolve.
> > >>
> > >> He spent eight hours in the chamber Friday and has received several
> two-hour
> > >> treatments over the past several days. Doctors say he is expected to
> fully
> > >> recover.
> > >>
> > >> Shannon's wife, Robin, learned of the accident Friday afternoon after
> > >> returning from errands with her daughter, Rachel, 3.
> > >>
> > >> "It's the kind of phone call you hope you never get," said Robin, who
> also
> > >> is an avid diver.
> > >>
> > >> Wahoo owner Steve Bielenda called Shannon an experienced diver and
said
> the
> > >> accident could have happened to anyone. "This is one of those domino
> effect
> > >> type of things. One thing goes wrong, you pay attention to it, then
> > >> something else goes wrong," he said. His boat conducts about 5,000
> dives a
> > >> year. Bielenda said Long Island sees three to seven such accidents
> every
> > >> year. Eleven passengers and five crew members made the trip aboard
the
> Wahoo
> > >> on Friday.
> > >>
> > >> Despite his ordeal, Shannon hasn't sworn off diving. If doctors
permit
> it,
> > >> he'll dive again. But "I don't know if I'll ever go that deep again,"
> he
> > >> said.
> > >>
> > >> Decompressing How patients are treated for the "bends" The increased
> > >> pressure of the chamber helps decrease the size of nitrogen bubbles
in
> a
> > >> patient who has decompression illness or the "bends," a painful and
> > >> dangerous condition usually associated with diving and caused by gas
> bubbles
> > >> in the bloodstream and body tissues. The chamber helps reduce the
> bubbles so
> > >> they can be reabsorbed into the bloodstream.
> > >>
> > >> 100 percent oxygen is pumped into the chamber at high pressure for
the
> > >> patient to breatehr. This is a high-pressure or "hyperbaric" dose of
> oxygen.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> During the course of treatment, whihc varies, the patient is given
air
> > >> breaks of 21 percent oxygen.
> > >>
> > >> In a pressurized chamber, the body is able to absorb two to three
times
> more
> > >> pure oxygen thatn if there were no increase in pressure.
> > >>
> > >> SOURCE: Kathy McGonigle, R.N.; John T. Mather Memorial Hospital;
World
> Book
> > >> Encyclopedia; Sechrist.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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