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From: <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: deep air Please help
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:40:38 -0400
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Mark,
 
I don't think they are saying use 35% helium at 101 feet.  If I understand
correctly what they are saying is when diving below 100 FSW use a helium mix
that keeps the EAD at or below 100.  You know do a dive to 150 FSW, use a
helium mix greater than 17%...
 
Art.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Dixon [mailto:jj@da*.co*]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:55 PM
To: pina
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: deep air Please help
 
35% He at 100 ft - I'm sorry but I don't believe this.  I'm no advocate of
deep air but somebody needs to get real here!
 
Regards
 
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: pina [mailto:pina3@be*.ne*]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 02:33
To: NyWrecker@ao*.co*; Techdiver
Subject: RE: deep air Please help
The 35% would be 21-35 and the 45% would be 18-45 (with the first number
being the oxygen).  The important part is that the EAD is maintained below
100 feet and the pp02max is below 1.4, and that HYPERoxic mixes are not used
in these ranges.
 
18% is not normoxic (21% is normoxic), but is accepted as such generally.
You shouldn't breathe it on the surface as a matter of practice.
 
You need to ditch this idiot instructor who was taking you to 150, 160, 180
on air (for what I assume must have been an Advanced Nitrox Course).  Do
yourself a favor now and just take the rest of your training from GUE
http://www.gue.com <http://www.gue.com/>    The link on the website that
says "Classroom" talks about the courses.  There is a GUE instructor that I
know in NY - his name is Bob Sherwood.  His contact information is below.  
 
Continuing with an instructor that is teaching you such dangerous practices
as deep air will not do you any good in further classes.  The text alone is
faulty and error laden, but when combined with a poor instructor becomes a
complete waste of time and money as well as a personal danger.  Do not
continue your training with this idiot just to do him a favor or because you
think he is a nice guy, do yourself a favor and get proper training.  
 
Otherwise, you will just need to be retrained and retold later how do do all
the things safely that this idiot taught you to do unsafely, so you might as
well just get it taught to you properly the first time.  The current
instructor would be teaching you improper deco mixes most likely, too, like
80% or some other stupidity, not to mention the dangerously inadequate gear
he will likely recommend and uses himself.  I've been there, don't waste
your money and time learning things wrong.  This guy has proven himself an
idiot already, do you really want to trust him with your life?
 
Try this guy, he is in NY, or check the GUE website for another instructor
in your area if you like:
Bob Sherwood
829 Main Street
Vestal, NY 13850
Phone: 607.786.3941
Fax 607.748.7565 
email: sherwood@gu*.co* <mailto:sherwood@gu*.co*> 
 
--pina
 
-----Original Message-----
From: NyWrecker@ao*.co* [mailto:NyWrecker@ao*.co*]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:33 AM
To: pina3@be*.ne*
Subject: Re: deep air Please help
In a message dated 5/31/2001 11:56:25 PM Central Daylight Time, 
pina3@be*.ne* writes: 




35% helium at least on dives to 100' to 150' (this is nice at 85'-90' also),

45% helium at least on dives to 200', and 55% helium at least on dives to 
250' - no hyperoxic mixes and pp02Max of 1.4 - more like 1.3 or 1.2 for 


this 35-45 helium whats it called hypoxix-normoxix-or just a mix course.He 
said something about it being 2 seperate courses 
      Ed 

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Mark Dixon
[mailto:jj@da*.co*]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June
03, =
2001 7:55
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pina<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> =
techdiver@aquanaut.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: deep
air =
Please help</span></font></p>

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color:black'>35% He at 100 ft - I'm sorry but I don't believe =
this.  I'm
no advocate of deep air but somebody needs to get real =
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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> pina
[mailto:pina3@be*.ne*]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June
01, =
2001 02:33<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
NyWrecker@ao*.co*; =
Techdiver<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: deep
air =
Please help</span></font><font
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face=3D"Book Antiqua"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book =
Antiqua";
color:black'>The 35% would be 21-35 and the 45% would be 18-45 (with =
the first
number being the oxygen).  The important part is that the EAD is
maintained below 100 feet and the pp02max is below 1.4, and that =
HYPERoxic
mixes are not used in these ranges.</span></font><font =
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color:black'>18% is not normoxic (21% is normoxic), but is accepted as =
such
generally.  You shouldn't breathe it on the surface as a matter of
practice.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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color=3Dblack
face=3D"Book Antiqua"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book =
Antiqua";
color:black'>You need to ditch this idiot instructor who was taking you =
to 150,
160, 180 on air (for what I assume must have been an Advanced Nitrox
Course).  Do yourself a favor now and just take the rest of your =
training
from GUE <a =
href=3D"http://www.gue.com/">http://www.gue.com</a>   The
link on the website that says "Classroom" talks about the
courses.  There is a GUE instructor that I know in NY - his name =
is Bob
Sherwood.  His contact information is below.  =
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color=3Dblack
face=3D"Book Antiqua"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book =
Antiqua";
color:black'>Continuing with an instructor that is teaching you such =
dangerous
practices as deep air will not do you any =
good in further
classes.  The text alone is faulty and error laden, but when =
combined with
a poor instructor becomes a complete waste of time and money as =
well as a
personal danger.  Do not continue your training with this idiot =
just to do
him a favor or because you think he is a nice guy, do yourself a favor =
and
get proper training.  </span></font><font
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color=3Dblack
face=3D"Book Antiqua"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book =
Antiqua";
color:black'>Otherwise, you will just need to be retrained and =
retold
later how do do all the things safely that this idiot taught you to do
unsafely, so you might as well just get it taught to you properly the =
first
time.  The current instructor would be teaching you improper deco =
mixes
most likely, too, like 80% or some other stupidity, not to mention the
dangerously inadequate gear he will likely recommend and uses =
himself. 
I've been there, don't waste your money and time learning things =
wrong. 
This guy has proven himself an idiot already, do you really want to =
trust him
with your life?</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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color=3Dblack
face=3D"Book Antiqua"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book =
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color:black'>Try this guy, he is in NY, or check the GUE website =
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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Bob Sherwood<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:
Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>829 Main Street<br>
Vestal, NY 13850<br>
Phone: 607.786.3941<br>
Fax 607.748.7565 <br>
email: <a =
href=3D"mailto:sherwood@gu*.co*">sherwood@gue.com</a></span></font><
/b><=
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Book Antiqua"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book =
Antiqua";
color:black'>--pina</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

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<div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in =
0in 4.0pt'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:111.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black =
1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
NyWrecker@ao*.co*
[mailto:NyWrecker@ao*.co*]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June
01, =
2001 8:33
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
pina3@be*.ne*<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: deep
air =
Please help</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:
auto;margin-left:111.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black =
1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In a
message dated 5/31/2001 11:56:25 PM Central Daylight Time, <br>
pina3@be*.ne* writes: <br>
<br>
<br style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'>
<![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br =
style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'>
<![endif]></span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:wi=
ndowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in =
0in 4.0pt'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:
auto;margin-left:115.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue =
1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>35%
helium at least on dives to 100' to 150' (this is nice at 85'-90' =
also), <br>
45% helium at least on dives to 200', and 55% helium at least on dives =
to <br>
250' - no hyperoxic mixes and pp02Max of 1.4 - more like 1.3 or 1.2 for =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></
p>

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1.5pt;
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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>this 35-45 helium whats it called
hypoxix-normoxix-or just a mix course.He <br>
said something about it being 2 seperate courses <br>
      Ed</span></b></span></font><f
ont
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
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