JT, the problem is that any value that Widen brings to the table is
immediately obscured by the fact that TDI issues cards to anyone ( they sent
me instructor cards in the mail without me taking any courses) , they have a
track record of idiocy, they and IANTD require complete stupidity in their
courses, and if Widen thinks being an instructor is so important, he needs
to go to JJ to find out what he does NOT know, and I think he will find that
this is one hell of a lot relative to what he could and should know if he is
going to be taking this seriously.

If he is any good, why would he want to be lumped in with total idiots? That
is like being part of the PLO or the IRA - I bet there are some good guys
there as well, but who cares.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
To: <billy@v3*.co*.au*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: deep air Please help. But NOT with PRETEND DIR.


> Hi Billy
> I have seen the results from Dave's classes and am happy with what I see
> (not that it means anything), having said that I would like to see him
> become an true GUE instructor. The problem is that some are unable to
> because of work commitments to travel to FL or anywhere for the extended
> time (not Extended Range ;o )  to become one. Its not like we have a GUE
> base right here. Look at it this way, you've been doing it for the 3 or 4
> years as close as you can you say, waiting for JJ to come over. Why
> couldn't you and the others go to him, not that easy for everyone I know.
> But you still give advice on diving DIR on this list and your still
waiting
> to (quote) " get the real deal from JJ and Trey" yourself, isn't that a
> double standard your talking?
>
> JT
>
>   At 10:35 AM 6/2/01 +1000, billy@v3*.co*.au* wrote:
> >At 05:32 AM 2/06/2001 , you wrote:
> >>Bullshit - people do not do the research and read. TDI dropped the
> >>Extended Range (Deep Air) requirement for Trimix two years ago. I tend
> >>to believe that is from the drum beating the that George Irvine and
> >>company have done about Deep Air BS. I am a TDI Instructor, although a
> >>great deal of DIR technique and methodology is incorporated in the
> >>classes I teach.
> >
> >David, the way I figure it, you can't just 'incorporate' a 'great deal'
> >of DIR into a TDI or IANTD or ANDI course.
> >
> >Unless you INSIST on the DIR methodologies and attitudes throughout the
> >course, and present it with all the expectations, disciplines and
learnings,
> >you're just putting shiny hubcaps on the same fucked old truck.
> >
> >It's not fair on your students to let them think they're getting close to
> >the real DIR deal either.(and I don't mean you specifically, I mean those
> >lazy, opportunistic instroketors out there).
> >
> >The result will be  a bunch of people who do the long hose thing and
think
> >that's it, because their 'DIR' IANTD/TDI instroketor told them so. How
can
> >it be otherwise?
> >
> >If you want to teach DIR, drop that IANTD/TDI thing like a poisoned bag
of
> >shit and see if GUE will take you on as a DIR instructor candidate.
> >
> >Talk to JJ - arrangements can be made for the real stuff. Anything else
is
> >phoney - no controls - just the same old agency bullshit masquerading as
> >the real thing, as usual.
> >
> >We've been diving as close as we can to DIR for three or four years now.
> >But we're waiting for JJ and Trey to come over to Sydney early next year
so
> >we can get the real deal. (I want my Gavin and Hal80, too.) It's going to
> >be good. But just watch for all the stroke instructors to come crawling
> >out of the woodwork, do the GUE intro to tech course, and then
> >afterwards, claim to their students they're teaching 'em 'DIR'.
> >
> >That kind of bullshit's gotta be killed before it kills, and there's only
> >the 100%ers that can kill it.
> >
> >rgrds billyw
> >
> >
> >
> >>  I won't teach ER any more. If you want ER, find a new
> >>instructor. If you are going to become a Tech Dive, do your research,
> >>ask question. Do not just follow the crowd. I have thought long and hard
> >>about changing to GUE as an instructor. It is hard to come up with the
> >>time and money away from my business to spend it in FL for the course
> >>work.
> >>
> >>I hope and believe that here are more instructor like me out there.
> >>
> >>David
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*]
> >> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:39 AM
> >> > To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >> > Subject: Re: deep air Please help
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The problem is that people aren't aware of the options.  They have an
> >> > instructor that they've been working with, whom they trust, and then
> >> > the guy says "OK, the next step is to do Deep Air".  You try to
> >> > argue, but the guy is adamant because he wants to make money on one
> >> > more class.  You figure he must know his stuff, and you do want to
> >> > progress to trimix, so you feel you have no choice.  It's classic,
> >> > and it's criminal.
> >> >
> >> > <ScottBonis@ao*.co*> wrote:
> >> > ~
> >> > >Hi Ed,
> >> > >
> >> > >I'm having difficulty understanding your message.  How did
> >> > an instructor
> >> > >"FORCE" you to dive to 180 on air?  Did he physically
> >> > restrain you and pull
> >> > >you down to that depth?
> >> > >
> >> > >I think you need to grow up and start to take some
> >> > responsibility for your
> >> > >own decisions.  Yes IMHO, the instructor was wrong.  Yes
> >> > IMHO, the dive was
> >> > >stupid.  But yes, you choose to make the dive.  So consider
> >> > yourself lucky
> >> > >that you dodged the bullet this time and learn from it.
> >> > >
> >> > >Take care and dive safe,       Scott
> >> > >
> >> > >Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through
> >> > the restraints and
> >> > >scramble up out of the pit.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >In a message dated 5/31/2001 10:00 AM NyWrecker@ao*.co* writes:
> >> > >
> >> > ><< ... Ive only ben diving for about 3 years.Im VERRY aware
> >> > of this deep air
> >> > >shit BUT i have asked a few people for a limit and cant get
> >> > an answer.To
> >> > >start off the rec limit is 130 on air.Last summer i was
> >> > FORCED to go to
> >> > >150-160-3 times and 180 on it.The MOD on the 180 was 220.I
> >> > know stupid BUT it
> >> > >was with a TDI-IANTD instructor so what do you expect.I
> >> > tried to get him to
> >> > >let me use a mix but he wouldnt and i thought he wouldnt but
> >> > i had to try...
> >> > >>>
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