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> > What "next divers" are you referring to? > > The Rhein Hamburg was sunk over 60 years ago. Since then only two > groups, our group (AUE) and one lead by Billy Deans, has ever put up > the time, money, effort, and skills needed to get there. Judging Ok, I didn't know all the facts about this particular ship, I'm sorry about that. > by the overwhelming number of cyberdivers here, I sincerely doubt > any other group will *ever* see the Rhein. Recovering parts of the > ship before it completely corrodes away helps everyone by preserving > and documenting parts of the ship; it denies no one access to something > they'll never put up the effort to see in the first place. Ok, let's disregard this particular incident, what is your groups general view towards recovering artifacts from shipwrecks? What about if everybody took something when they dived a wreck at Scapa Flow or Chuuk? In a few years time there would be nothing there to see. My biggest problem isn't that you took something from a wreck that no one dives on and it will be gone in 10(?) years time. I have a problem with that it sets an example for less scrupulous divers that are taught that it's ok to take things from wrecks and they don't see the difference between your bell recovery and taking a gas mask from a wreck at Scapa Flow. This is my main point. > > It's very frustrating to be chastised by internet cyberdivers who > sit at a keyboard never putting any effort into discovering and diving > these difficult sites, yet complaining that we are denying them the > chance to see the artifacts in question. > I'm just expressing my view from my (somewhat limited i agree) experience. The conditions in the Baltic Sea are better for wrecks than in the Atlantic or the North Sea. The shipworm doesn't like the brackish water so there are still 15th century wooden wrecks on the bottom. I believe the conditions are better for wrecks in the great lakes? What is the artifact recovery practice there? I'm not a techdiver yet, but I want to learn. And I would much rather see the ship's wheel in it's natural environment than on someones livingroom wall when I am able to. And to Joe: > Now, if you feel you possess the requisite skills to make such a trip and > are willing to demonstrate the same in advance, I would be quite happy to > accompany you on your first trip to the Rhine and serve as your personal > guide. I would like to take you up on your offer, it is very generous but as you suspected it will have to wait a year or so until I have the experience. Regards /Jonas -- Jonas Bergenudd +46 733 909 909 -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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