So you deliberately go to the point of getting mild DCS and then back off .
That is really intelligent Cobb




----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: "David Shimell" <David.Shimell@ta*.co*>; "Ray Blanchard"
<rkbl@uf*.ed*>; "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; "Tech Diver"
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Cc: "Alan Crew" <alancrew@ya*.co*>; <FLTechDiver@mikey.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Trimix Computers


> Shoot, half the fun of deco diving is doing the pre-dive calculations. It
> up's the ante in that you are experimenting with your own body finding out
> what the best profile is for you. When you start getting indications of
your
> limitations, i.e. joint pain, slobitus, that tired feeling, fried lungs,
> etc. you adjust the calculations until you are dialed in. I can't imagine
> not having the ability to fine-tune your profile. I dare say that if you
do
> it enough you know what your deco is intuitively in certain standard
> profiles. Why anybody would want to cripple themselves with a wrist deco
> computer is beyond me.
>
>    Jim
>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
>
> > From: David Shimell <David.Shimell@ta*.co*>
> > Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:50:49 +0100
> > To: "'Jim Cobb'" <cobber@ci*.co*>, Ray Blanchard <rkbl@uf*.ed*>,
Tom
> > Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>, Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Cc: Alan Crew <alancrew@ya*.co*>,
> > "FLTechDiver@mikey.net"<FLTechDiver@mikey.net>
> > Subject: RE: Trimix Computers
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > It is as simple as the desire to have things easy, with little or no
> > intellectual effort expended.  Nothing actually wrong with that if the
product
> > delivers to goods and the individual is prepared to pay the price.  The
> > problem occurs when the product does not deliver the goods - keeps the
> > individual in-water longer than necessary or fails.  Suddenly, what
would be
> > routine dive to BT users may become a stressful CF, or in the most
extreme of
> > circumstances kill the individual.
> >
> > David Shimell
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Cobb [SMTP:cobber@ci*.co*]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:28 AM
> > To: Ray Blanchard; Tom Mount; Tech Diver
> > Cc: Alan Crew; FLTechDiver@mikey.net
> > Subject: Re: Trimix Computers
> >
> > << File: ATT00048.htm >> All I can say is Ray, Why? All the stuff you
relate
> > here with the added
> > bonus of the "most complicated interface in dive computerdom". Excuse me
but
> > I do believe that there are more important things to be keeping track of
on
> > a trimix dive than trying to figure out the most complicated interface
ever
> > strapped on a wrist.
> >
> > What advantage does this $1900 monstrosity offer over a bottom timer,
tables
> > and a solid understanding of deco that only comes from experience? This
is
> > pure geek stuff, hoypaloy which adds nothing to your dive but more
> > complexity, task loading and failure points.
> >
> > Jim
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
> >
> > From: Ray Blanchard <rkbl@uf*.ed*>
> > Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:36:09 -0400
> > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> > Cc: Alan Crew <alancrew@ya*.co*>, FLTechDiver@mikey.net
> > Subject: Re: Trimix Computers
> >
> >
> > Hi Alan, Tom & the rest of the list,
> > Thanks for the informative posts from folks regarding trimix computers
in
> > particular the Abyss Explorer and the Phoenix VR3 as well as the limited
> > application of the NiTek3.  While not a trimix computer diver, I've been
> > following this area closely for several years and dreaming of owning
one.
> > This past DEMA show, however, was especially interesting in regards to
the
> > VR3 which is the only trimix computer that I've seen in private
individuals'
> > hands (see Z's post regarding the Explorer).  Prior to the show my
> > information was limited to that from OMS, the U.S. distributor of the
VR3,
> > and a friend who dove one and found the user interface rather complex.
> > While visiting the OMS booth at DEMA, I spoke at length to Kevin Gurr
and
> > another member of the VR3 development team and discovered that OMS's
> > literature on this computer fails to do justice to the VR3's features in
a
> > big way.  Since Tom with his hands-on experience didn't expound on them,
> > here are a few of the highlights that are not on the OMS brochures:
> >
> > -Phoenix has a web presence ( www.vr3.co.uk ) including an electronic
copy
> > of the VR3 user manual
> > -PC interface comes with the dive unit
> > -user changeable standard batteries
> > -never locks out upon deco violations
> > -dive simulation mode allows contingency tables to be generated from the
> > dive unit on its own
> > -capable of complete gas control/programming even while on the dive
> > -back lighting
> > -adjustable conservancy/safety factor
> > -reed switches (mentioned) mean no case penetration for buttons.
> >
> > Overall this unit appears to have tremendous flexibility but that also
> > makes for the most complicated user interface that I've seen on a dive
> > computer.  Still, while I'm not a technophile, I think that I could
learn to
> > use this computer and I definitely would like to get my hands on one.
The 2
> > biggest down sides to this unit are that OMS is marketing the OC trimix
> > model with an MSRP of $1900 and second, as Tom mentioned, it's
conservative
> > because it's based on the ProPlanner algorithm. I know that some of my
> > trimix diving friends down here in FL find ProPlanner to be a little too
> > conservative for their tastes even when it's set for zero conservation
(for
> > some reason they want to get out of the water faster ;-) however, Tom's
> > recommendation for a special order may resolve this issue.  Of course
the
> > biggest point I've encountered for this trimix computer is that it's in
> > production and available now.
> > Safe diving,
> > Ray
> >
> >
> >
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